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Official 2019 NCAA Football thread

Discussion in 'Sports, Hobbies & Interests' started by holyfield19, Jan 7, 2019.

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  1. Nov 12, 2019 at 7:49 AM
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    A few years back for basketball ( i know, this post isnt about basketball....)

    Indiana University beat UK on a last second 3 pointer.


    There was a video out of all the different bars in Indiana, mostly Bloomington, the second the shot went in. It was NUTS. Really cool to see.


    I wonder what it was like in that LSU bar Saturday night. Would be cool to see.
     
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    so...since the rankings come out tonight, let's discuss.

    I see lots of articles saying Bama should be at 4.

    All of the "justification" is their one loss, is better than the losses of the other 1 loss teams.

    My question is, why do we only look at "loss comparison" instead of "win comparison"? OSU was ranked 1 because of their wins (high points), Clemson was ranked 5 because of their wins (low points). but the other teams are looked at based on losses?
     
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    I think UGA should be ahead of ALA, but it won’t matter in a few weeks when they lose to LSU.
     
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    only reason I disagree is they do have a common opponent. Alabama beat USC, Georgia lost to them.

    but Alabama hasn't beaten anyone better than Texas A&M. every other 1 loss team that does not have a common opponent with Alabama...has beaten a better team than Alabama has.
     
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    Also Georgia lost in Athens to USCe who are awful and lost to App St..............
     
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    which yes, if you decide to ONLY compare losses...Alabama has a "better" loss.

    but what about wins? who has Alabama actually beat? they've been in the top 4 all year based off nothing but name. say we're using some of last year to rank them...ok they got ass blasted by Clemson who has been disrespected because of their wins all season...when's the disrespect towards Bama?
     
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    As a Georgia fan it pains me to type this but I believe Bama should be ahead of Georgia this time.

    Georgia lost to a terrible team USC and Bama lost to the best team in the nation LSU....

    That lose weighs more than the strength of the schedules..
     
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    It isnt linear, and thats why we have a hard time accepting their justifications.


    Again, I dont think Alabama should be in the top 4.

    However, if you take into account that they are looking for the 4 best teams, going off of eye test, which of the other teams do you think would play LSU that hard, and fight through 4 quarters. I think that is what is causing people to want to put Alabama in the top 4.
     
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    my rankings would be...

    1. LSU (undefeated and 4 top 10 wins)
    2. Clemson (undefeated and reigning champs, best win is only Texas A&M)
    3. OSU (undefeated and a win over Wisconsin)
    4. Minnesota (undefeated and a win over Penn State)
    5. Penn State (only loss is to #4 in my rankings Minnesota, but good wins over Iowa and Michigan)
    6. Oregon (only loss is season opener against quality Auburn, quality win against Washington)
    7. Oklahoma (loss to K-State, but good eye test and win over Texas)
    8. Alabama (only loss is to LSU, good eye test but best win is only Texas A&M)
    9. Georgia (common opponent with Alabama is USC, Bama won UGA lost, quality win over Notre Dame)
    10. Florida (losses to LSU/Georgia, but good win over Auburn)
    11. Auburn (close loss to LSU, loss to Florida, but wins over A&M and Oregon)
    12. Baylor (undefeated, but 0 quality wins)
    13. Utah (lost close to USC, but good win over Arizona State)
    then 2 loss teams and/or 1 loss non P5 schools after...
     
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    The problem is, I dont know anyone else that should be in the top 4 either.


    Clemson has nothing to prove. They haven't lost for almost 2 years now.
    LSU has proved it.
    OSU will probably prove it.


    After that....who else do you think could hold up to those teams? Who else has the talent, the drive and the abilities realistically to compete with those three teams?


    Look, I know anything can happen on Saturdays. I get it. We also know that those three teams are in an "ELITE" category and on a different level than the rest of the top ten. By collection of talent, coaching and abilities.


    What other team do you feel truly has the talent, abilities and coaching to compete?

    I'm truly asking, because I don't know, myself.
     
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    but the real question is this....what had bama so high to start the season, that makes it harder and harder to justify dropping them...aside from an ass blasting from Clemson?

    and this same committee deemed undefeated clemson (with a win over A&M) to be worse than undefeated Alabama (with only a win over A&M) after they most recently destroyed them? only will clemson be ranked higher after bama takes a loss? committee makes no sense lol
     
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    does Alabama have the ability? they've lost the last 2 big games they've been in. seems to prove they can't.
     
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    Auburn and Florida clearly held their own with LSU, but they're both 2 loss teams. With much harder schedules than Alabama. So why is it only Alabama getting credit for being one of the top when Auburn fought better than Alabama did?!

    actually I'm going to edit my rankings based on that....Auburn and Florida deserve more credit, even as 2 loss teams.
     
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    While Alabama does have entirely too many less than dominant opponents on the schedule this year (and it would be really interesting to know the truth about why), I think the argument would resurface about how Alabama isnt in control or in charge of where their opponents are ranked.

    Luckily, LSU was ranked number 2. To start the year, LSU wasnt helping Alabama's schedule any.
    aTm was ranked 24th, but why? They werent that good, looking at it now. Not in Alabama's control though.
    Auburn. I mean, shit. C'mon Gus. lol. (I still think Auburn pulls out a win against Bama...)
    Ole Miss is a dumpster fire, which could (probably wont) change in a couple years.
    Arkansas is a dumpster fire, but that too could change.
    Miss St is on a come up, I think. Moorehead I believe has some culture to add...but they aren't powerhouses.
    In the west, at the beginning of the season, there wasnt any team that was that good. LSU emerged.


    I get it, non conference scheduling is key here.


    I wanna know the real issues with why Alabama has the opponents on the schedule this year instead of P5 teams. Is it really Alabama not willing to play other P5 powerhouses throughout the year? I could see some of that. Even Urban Meyer stated that the SEC is different than any other conference. He'd know. He's coached in multiple.

    Is is possible teams have avoided scheduling Alabama? I think its possible. I know Michigan State backed out because they wanted a home and home and Alabama wanted neutral sites. I'm sure there are others. I'm sure there are plenty of closed door convos that happen between the powers that be that create the schedules in the future that we have no access to.

    I think Alabama should schedule UF as well as UT every year.
     
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    Who knows why? That doesn’t necessarily matter though does it? Clemson doesn’t have a great schedule but they’re beating them all and are still reigning champs, and got punished in the first rankings. Alabama doesn’t have a great schedule, started the season with their last game being a beat down loss, and the only quality win they have is a freaking loss! If you have a bad schedule you have to win out, like Clemson is. The pre season rankings still have too much pull in my opinion on how humans see these teams.
     
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    @stronghammer

    as an engineer, your mind is working in a linear pattern. Simply utilizing the W/L and who they've played. Which is a big metric. Its clear, concise and factual. It is simple data. Easy to use.


    It isnt easy to choose who is better when they havent played. That is a big chunk of the missing data pie here.

    Alabama and Oregon havent played. How do you put one in over the other at this point. Neither have played anyone of merit and won. Both have one loss. (Oregon's loss is worse....dirty ole Auburn...)


    Maybe they should have em play. Set up an impromptu game and have em play it out.
     
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    As a UF fan..no thanks :rofl: but the elite teams like Clemson, OSU, Bama do struggle to get teams to play them I mean its pretty much signing up for a loss. But in about 10 years there will be a lot of good matchups so mark your calendars for all those late 2020 early 2030 matchups
     
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    Bama isn't elite, they lost to the number 1 team in the country by 5 points.


    Not elite.
     
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    But 2 of the undisputed top 2 (Clemson and LSU) Alabama has proven to not be able to beat. How does that make them top 4 material?
     
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    Alabama has owned LSU for 8 years.

    And they have beat Clemson. What are you even talking about...lol.


    You act like one loss to LSU means Alabama is now UAB. lol.
     
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