New truck, first scheduled oil change at 10,000... really?

1 mile.

 

5,000+2,500+7,800=15,300

15,300/3=5,100

There you go ;-)

 

This is some Stephen Hawking level shit right here

 

No single source of information should be trusted as factual. YOU are responsible for making sure you vet the information prior to using it. It is sad this has been lost in the current culture where Truth is based on what you feel like and what your fellow peers say it is.

 

136K on mine and I change every 10 to 12k depending on if I'm on the road or not. Comes out clean every time. Also, if you have the Denzo plug wait till 120k to change them. I did mine at 125k and really didn't need to.

 

My maintenance log says to replace my oil & filter at 5,000k miles

And If Wikipedia is wrong, and there is no damaging combustion by-products going on, we need to stop using it, but I concur with them and will continue changing my oil at 5k.

Oh, and I don’t tow over 3300lbs either, but if push comes to shove, I know I can safely tow 6400lbs. I just won’t do it every day, I’ll get a Tundra

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

“Oil needs to be changed because it gets contaminated with combustion by-products that accumulate at about the same rate regardless of oil type” and then there’s this...


“Replace engine oil and oil filter 1
Extensive idling and/or low speed driving
for a long distance such as police, taxi or
door-to-door delivery use:
Replace engine oil and oil filter”

So there’s that…..

Cheers

5,000 miles or 6 months
Check installation of driver’s floor mat
Inspect and adjust all fluid levels
Inspect wiper blades
Rotate tires
Visually inspect brake linings/drums and
brake pads/discs
Additional Maintenance Items for
Special Operating Conditions 2
Driving on dirt roads or dusty roads:
Inspect ball joints and dust covers
Inspect drive shaft boots (4WD)
Inspect engine air filter
Inspect steering linkage and boots
Lubricate propeller shaft (4WD) 3
Re-torque propeller shaft bolt 3
Replace engine oil and oil filter 1
Tighten nuts and bolts on chassis and
body
Driving while towing, using a car-top
carrier, or heavy vehicle loading5:
Lubricate propeller shaft (4WD) 3
Re-torque propeller shaft bolt 3
Replace engine oil and oil filter 1
Tighten nuts and bolts on chassis and
body
Repeated trips of less than five miles in
temperatures below 32°F / 0°C:
Replace engine oil and oil filter 1
Extensive idling and/or low speed driving
for a long distance such as police, taxi or
door-to-door delivery use:
Replace engine oil and oil filter

38 Maintenance Log

 

Wikipedia a not wrong. They are absolutely 100% right. Oil certainly does collect the byproducts of combustion, and the time at which these byproducts have accumulated to a point that warrants changing the oil, under normal conditions, in a Toyota 2GR-FKS engine is 10k miles as per Toyota’s criteria for the engine they designed. Any other suggestion is just darts at a dart board by self proclaimed experts with no grounding in experience or facts.

Can you change it more often?......sure! Will it benefit you? Likely not, based on the fact that people following Toyota’s prudent and conservative recommendations often chock up 500k+ trouble-free miles.

What am I missing here? Does Wikipedia specifically state 5k miles for Toyotas or other engines? I don’t see that, but might be missing the citation.

help me out.

 

I'm surprised no one brought up it's actually bad to change your oil too often (like every 1000 miles). Dry starts for one. Some say new oil needs to break down. I'm probably completely wrong with this theory, maybe not, who knows.

 

In today's culture, 75% of what's out there is bullshit. Most people can't be bothered to sort out the 25% of what's true, so they just say everything is bullshit and give up. This is why YouTube thrives, memes are king, and idiots who buy plane tickets to prove the earth is flat get 2 million views.

The number 1 rule of the scientific method: you can't prove a negative. That pretty much sums up what every oil changing thread tries to do. They are all pretty comical

 

What about that one or two guys who fits 33”s with no rubbing? Is it a rift in space-time?

 

How does Wikipedia define "rubbing"?

 

I’ll check when I’m not at work.

 

Ok I'll give it the old college try and to win one for the gipper, but it's not looking good so far :/

But I’m glad we can at least agree Wikipedia can be a starting study point source.
https://www.livescience.com/32950-how-accurate-is-wikipedia.html

. …”The self-described ‘free encyclopedia that anyone can edit’ has fared similarly well in most other studies comparing its accuracy to conventional encyclopedias, including studies by The Guardian, PC Pro, Library Journal, the Canadian Library Association, and several peer-reviewed academic studies.”

Now that’s out the way, you appear to be missing some valuable points such as “combustion by-products that accumulate at about the same rate regardless of oil type”.
Now IDK what your knowledge or experience maybe, but we don’t need much to figure out that point here.
All you need to know is that in the past, almost all manufacturers have recommended shorter intervals to keep sludge and by-products in check. You can’t eliminate them, but you can reduce their accumulation inside the engine by replacing the oil lubricants.
Now back to the future, and we have better semi-synthetic as well as supposedly fully synthetic lubricants that can cost at least twice as much as the old ones.

But combustion by-products don’t care, they still fart and chit inside the engine at the same rate as before!
And maybe because the price is much higher, manufacturers have all raised their maximum allowable oil change intervals during the warranty in an attempt to mitigate their cost as well as us (I presume) mere mortal consumers to keep us from griping their ears off.

Something else you seem to be missing is the part in the factory manual that warns me I’m throwing away money by throwing out the combustion by-products inside my engine too soon.

What page of the owners manual did you say that was on?

And then you’re missing the part in the maintenance log that goes some thing like this:
Replace engine oil and oil filter 1
Extensive idling and/or low speed driving
for a long distance such as police, taxi or
door-to-door delivery use:
Replace engine oil and oil filter

IDK about you, but I see a lot of parents idling their engines in extremely hot or cold weather for long periods of time while waiting in-line for their kids to be let out of school at the curb.

Then they drive over to McDonalds to get a happy meal and what do you know? There’s a friggin long A$$ line were they have sit there in the vehicle at the drive thru.

And if they don’t have that, then some just drive 2 miles to and two miles back. I would consider that a short driving distance, IDK about your opinion.

Then there are many others who may moonlight or work for Dominos, Uber, Lift, Amazon who may do door- to-door delivery. If they do 5k mile service, they’re covered. Do you have their backs with 10k miles??

There’s more you maybe missing, but I think that maybe enough for now.

 

C’mon man, no offence, but enough with the essays. Does wiki mandate 5000 miles for oil or not?

 

No offense taken, I love learning new things

They (Wikipedia)can’t, they don’t warranty your truck but your vehicle manual does…Oh wait, I think you missed that one again. Look for it on the maintenance log

 

Huh? My maintenace interval states the kM equivalent of 10K miles.

Anyways......to answer my own question, there is nothing in any resource, including Wikipedia, that contradicts Toyota’s recommended oil change interval.

 

Exactly! And it says 5k miles