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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Nov 25, 2019 at 1:55 PM
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  3. Nov 25, 2019 at 6:29 PM
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    I'm curious....it still appears that Hikari has a new bulb out on Amazon... It looks a lot like the older one listed above ...
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LCE19OI?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

    The new 2020 one is thinner and uses an upgraded Cree array (XHP50.2 instead of the XHP 50). In the Amazon description it compares it to the 2018 bulb that the OP reviewed and says that it offers better performance. Also curious that it is cheaper than the 2018 bulb by $20. Maybe because it uses a Cree array rather than the Phillips.

    https://www.amazon.com/HIKARI-H11-H8-H9-Brightness/dp/B07XP24CN7
     
  4. Nov 25, 2019 at 6:52 PM
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    They claim the new one is brighter, but the LED emitter is the wrong shape so it won’t have focus. You actually get brighter output in a headlight just by shrinking the light source to enhance focus, which is how the GE bulbs in this thread perform so remarkably well without actually using a brighter light source. That specific new one will perform poorly due to lack of focus, which is the main issue with LEDs, it doesn’t matter if it is brighter than the previous sucky one, it isn’t designed correctly. If looking for an LED, I would recommend the Hikaris mentioned and tested earlier in the thread, where you’ll notice the emitter shape is much smaller and shaped similar to a filament to have better focus.
     
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    So with projectors, the Philips H9 without a glare cap doesn’t provide additional glare? (Due to the lack of a cap)
     
  6. Nov 26, 2019 at 5:05 AM
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    Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the projectors on 3rd gens control glare caused by LEDs
     
  7. Nov 26, 2019 at 8:49 AM
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    Yes, they have a physical cut-off.
     
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  8. Nov 26, 2019 at 9:29 AM
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    Welp. I trimmed the wrong tabs, internal and external, on my Philips H9’s. I’m an idiot. It wasn’t that I didn’t know which ones to trim. I knew exactly which ones to trim. I just wasn’t paying attention.

    Note: the internal tabs aren’t plastic. I always thought these bulb bases were plastic. But this stuff is like graphite or something? It chips when you snip the tabs. It doesn’t cut like plastic. At all. I think it best to cut small pieces off the tab instead of trying to get it all in one snip so it doesn’t “chip” the material from the rear wall of the opening.
     
  9. Nov 26, 2019 at 10:58 AM
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    I'm gonna make a headlight that uses the Cree XHP70.2 with a minimum CRI of 90. I'll put 2 on each side of the bulb. That emitter is rated at 4292lm each, so going by typical marketing strategy I could market them as 34,336 lumen headlights! Plus, since they have a CRI of >90, I could also add in that they are "The most color accurate LED headlights on the market!" The emitters themselves are good for tens of thousands of hours, too.

    They would set my car on fire because there's no way to cool them enough, and the beam pattern would be absolute dogshit, but I bet I'd sell thousands before the lawsuits started to roll in and I had to change the name of the company.

    Anyone else wanna get in on this?
     
  10. Nov 26, 2019 at 11:16 AM
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    The projector is designed to have uplight to illuminate over head signs, the H9 does add additional uplight. But the projector prevents direct bulb glare unlike an open faced reflector if that makes sense.
     
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    LOL, be sure to use a long pre-order period through the LLC to maximize order volume before people get the product and the lawsuits come back.
     
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    Good thinking! So you're in? Great. I'll start the paperwork.
     
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    Great thread here with a ton of information. I installed Philips H9 bulbs in my low beams today. I took a trip around the block tonight and I am impressed with the difference. Took me a few minutes to cut out the tab in the connectors. I had to trim a few mm off of the large metal tab on the collar with my tin snips as they just weren't fitting in the housing. After reading more of this thread, it appears that others did the same.

    Anyway, for $15 I couldn't be happier!
     
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    When trimming the internal H9 tabs, I realized it’s not plastic. It’s like compressed graphite or something? When I trimmed the tab, it sort of burst and now there’s like a little hole/indentation in the “wall” between the metal prongs. Is that bad?

    I wonder if it’s better to trim the tab in small pieces rather than trying to snip the whole thing at once.
     
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    I just used a razor blade on mine yesterday.. Also this is admitting the LED's a put in while great on a clear day.. in snow and fog I hated my decision and went to H9's just as bright if not brighter and so much better fog/snow penetration.
     
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    I have not tried those, but those emitters look huge though which will lead to poor focus, which means poor projection performance. I also exceptionally highly doubt the 40w 8000 lumen claims, this looks like more over promised Chinesium lies, just like BeamTech. Another major red flag should be price, the best LEDs are not going to come it at sub $40 a pair, it just isn't going to happen. Most all companies claim to try and replicate a halogen, you need to look for size and placement of the emitter, as well as width of the assembly. If you pay close attention, most all quote width of the board the emitters are mounted on and compare that to a filament, giving it far more credit than it deserves, rather than comparing width with including the emitters. Their thin blade style is meant to show just how thin it is, but others that have recessed LEDs like the Hikari's can be just as thin if not thinner in the critical cross section measurement without looking as thin at first glance. In short, I would not bother throwing your money away on those.

    High color temp LED light in inclement weather really sucks for visability.

    I already shared this video from KC in the fog thread, this video demonstrates the difference between short wavelength high color temp light vs long wavelength low color temp light in fog, the difference is non-trivial:
     
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    Thanks crash, thats why I asked the expert. I have both 4300k and 6000k for my hid's and any extended night time driving I run the 4300k because its way easier on my eyes.
     
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    But they include an L shaped tool.
     
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    @crashnburn80 My brain is on fire with all the information Ive read in this awesome thread(every page). I have my stock projectors and I think Im gonna get those H11 +130 bulbs discussed on page one or two. Is that still a decent upgrade from stock ? I havent really had anything stand out better from what Ive read here , is that correct? The amount of work you have put in to the lighting on our trucks is incredible. You have saved me personally a lot of money , thank you. Im not trying to re-invent the wheel... i just want better than ive got , lol. Thank you again
     

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