Gay's in the Military, What the troops think about Civilians making that decision.

Just to be clear, I posted those as a joke. I have no doubt that there are those who really think that this is what an open gay in our armed forces would do/ be like.

I seriously doubt a gay man will enlist, go through basic training, go to the front lines and get shot at just to make a pass at another dude in a foxhole. I'm sure there are easier, less deadly ways for a gay guy to get some.

 

It also was once a traditionally Caucasian organization back in the day.

You seem to have a pretty good handle on military morale and fighting effectiveness... perhaps you should enlist and take a tour or two so you can show them what a real heterosexual, red blooded, fighting American is all about.

 

The truth is that more Straight men rape other straight men, so im not reall worried about a gay man making a pass or trying to take advantage of me bc guess what if there are other gay men they will handle there buisness with each other. This issues is when there are no women around or we are banned from enteracting with women that hetro men, all hetro men start losing there minds and the bad thing is some of them result to getting whatever they can however they can.

Like I said before my biggest question or concern is about benefits and not that I want them to get them or not get them, I just wanna know how it's gonna work, because once you allow them to join, they will want things changed and they will want benefits the straights get like "Spouse& dependent" benefits and if it's not given to them then they will fight it, and if it is given to them, what is to stop two straight guys or girls that are not interessted in traditinal marriage and would marry another guy or friend to move out of the barracks get the extra pay and basically have a roommate and wingman to share a house with pick up girls and shit.

I know that when I first joined if I could have had a friend that are on opposite deployment schedulea and if you could have worked out be domestic partners and then get all the extra money, and then never see each other or share an apartment as roommatea and collect an shit ton of extra money and just go out and pick up women on the weekends, and just be "partners" on paper

 

You are welcome to your opinion- but get a clue and stop being a bigot before you spout off. You want to paint every gay or lesbian person as a complete flamer and that's just not true. Just like the majority of straight people can control their sexual urges...so can the majority of gay/lesbian people.

It undermines morale when people like you disrespect those different than you and infect others with your insular view point. Sexuality has no place in the military at all...I don't talk about the sex that I have at work...It's not appropriate. Forcing someone else to change a core part of who they are is wrong...That's why minorities and women were allowed into the military...and guess what...Gays are going to be on that list soon too.

All the same things that prevent straight folks from doing that. Anyone could go out and "marry" a good friend of the opposite sex or some random person off the street to have a "dependent" and collect that extra money and have an open relationship...and it's still fraud. You are correct tho...Once they are allowed in the gay marriage issue will have to be dealt with at a federal level.

 

And I know that no "flaming" gay man would trade in his fishnet leggins and feather boa to get dirty Nd shoot guns in the military so your idea that they would demand to wear shorty shorts and cut off vests have bedazzled hats would never happen. And if you think it would your an idiot, the only change it would bring is really getting in Trouble for calling them ou or teasing them for being gay just like you can't rag on people about there color creed or gender. They wouldnt change any regulations to suite homosexuals.

I wonder they will have to say about the UCMJ law that says missionary is the only "legal" way to have sex

 

My unit in Desert Storm was an all male unit (my entire Brigade was). We were isolated in the desert for months. I don't remember ever hearing about anyone in the unit pounding their buddies. I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, but I'm sure rumors would have spread like wildfire if it had.

That would be a hard scam to pull off. IF you were ever caught dating a chick, I'm sure questions would be raised. And if it were discovered that you were intentionally scamming the government, you'd end up facing the UCMJ... not worth the risk.

 

Are you serious? No American military member has ever died for nothing. The all fought for our country and fought to allow people to serve our country and lime Brunes said, gays I'll be able too soon as well. Although they already do, they just have to keep it to themselves.


Which he also stated that if you think about it everyones sexuality is really don't ask don't tell. Yes bc I have a wife and a kid and I'll admit it without being asked that I am straight, but if someone didn't share anything about their home life if he had a girlfriend or not, you would. Know if he is straight or gay and it doesn't matter it is their personal life and none of my buisness

 

That is kind of a myth. Article 125 says

So really damn near everyone who has had sex is most likely guilty of this offense....and because of that and the nature of where/when it occurs...It is nearly unenforceable.

 

I feel like most of this shit is driven by religion. Which is just another reason why religion and the belief in a "God" is utterly ridiculous. There's no reason why we can't all just get along. A gay man is just as much of a person as a straight man...same goes for a black guy being the same as a white guy. We all look the same on the inside. WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO WITH THEIR OWN LIVES?

 

No, I'm saying that people back in the day were also blinded by their own irrational fears... just like some today when it comes to homosexuals and getting ass raped in a foxhole.

So, when's your enlistment date?

 

I'm not saying it always happens, but it seems like anytime you read about it happening it was to straight guys after a long deployment or roommates at some isolated base, since becoming an instructor I have gone through classes and web training and read about Alot of stuff.

I'm not saying I would or it would work well but I bet someone wouldtry it and more than likely get caught. But you never know if they allow gays then someone could play the Bi-sexual card and they have an "open relationship"


Just throwing out thoughts of what could happen if they repeal DADT, I just wish there was a way for them to keep it inplace that they need to keep it to themselves but if someone was found out they didn't get the boot, especially if they are good high speed troops.

 

No- Bigot is a name for people who use extreme stereotypes and fearmongering to convince people that all gays are bad. Never mind that there are enuf straight folks who engage in all the same crude behaviors.

I know several gay folks-One had one female partner due to the pressures of social norms before he came out of the closet and he has two partners since then (more than 18 years). That is less than some hetero folks have in a life time. He's no raping, flaming uncontrollable sex machine...He's a normal guy and a productive member of society.
Trying to say that shouldn't be allowed in the military because they are different from you is a lame excuse. If we went on that principle all the minorities would not be allowed to serve...and you wouldn't have had the option of not serve- You would have been drafted to provide for the common defense.

 

If you want to discuss societal repercussions due to irresponsible sexual behavior, how about this (between heterosexuals)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_pregnancy

Unintended pregnancies include unwanted pregnancies as well as those that are mistimed. Worldwide, 38% of pregnancies are unintended (some 80 million unintended pregnancies each year). Unintended pregnancies result in about 42 million induced abortions per year, and 34 million unintended births.

 

This'll be the only post i make in this thread as its not my country.
Many other militaries including Canada allows open gay people to serve. I have never seen of heard of any problems. Gay people are just as capable as straight people. Had a Gay guy in my shop on the ship lived in the same mess used the same wash place, as well a a few other guys and gals that played for the other team, nary an problem. The same sort of uproar occurred when the decision was made to allow women to serve. Food for thought. Have a good day.

 

I kind of doubt anyone (straight, gay or otherwise) would enlist in the armed services if they were afraid of guns and dirt.

Then you say

So, which is it? Is DADT a good policy to keep in place or should gay men and women be banned from the military at all costs? You seem to be making two opposing statements.