Fishtailing tacoma in the snow

It’s not hard for me to understand, that control over the braking of each wheel individually is far superior then braking them all together. Only abs with aid from sensors and a computer can possibly do this.

Auto engineering has long abandon ultimate stopping distance in favor of control. The idea that you have the potential to stop quicker while your car spins out of control with no steerage and careens into trees and other cars, is no valid choice.

 

You have no experience with winter driving ?
Off roading in mud sand and dirt is NOTHING like the experience of hitting your brakes on ice and snow and feeling you have no brakes at all. Your eyes get very big and you start pissing your pants the first time it happens.

 

Ha ha
Exactly.

 

The accident rates were much higher back then. That’s a case of...”the older we get, the better it was...”

Around here, we live and go places during the winter we never could before, thanks to modern engineering in cars and trucks.

 

The problem is is that abs is always slower. The oriley ralley school has a video up on this exact question. (They are the ones who did the test on 4wd vs 2wd stopping) You shouldn't stand on the brakes and hope that abs will save you when you allow your tires to lock up. You should apply as much as possible before wheels slide and that is faster because static friction is always better. As soon as any wheel locks, you lose a huge amount of stopping force and you stop in more distance even with abs as it needs the wheel to be a different speed (locked up) before it acts.

(Also would like to remind that this thread is on our 1st gens and the abs is definitely not as sophisticated as today's tacos are)

 

If the truck even has it. My '02 TRD 4wd doesn't have ABS.

 

Not really; ice won't pile up and is a low friction surface.

 

Neither does mine. I'm thankful for biking teaching me the point where the tire sounds like its sliding but still has traction too. I think there is a lot to be said for not having the traction control and other systems engaged. It definitely makes my driving smoother with a manual trans.

 

exactly. My 02 must have it. That’s what the intermittent blinking or solid ABS light means on the dash, right?

 

Pretty sure if it is solid while you are driving around it means that something is not working on it.

 

oh I know. I was just joking. It hasn’t worked in years.

 

Ok, wasn't quite sure, sarcasm is hard enough in real life

 

If that were true, hockey would be played “on” mud .

 

Huh ? Abs PREVENTS your wheels from locking up. You’re starting off with a false assumption. There is a very low threshold speed, where your wheels will lock up regardless. You’re stating your whole case around a false narrative. No one can brake the wheels manually individually like abs can. Your other false assumptions is at any one time, the coefficient of friction is the same for all four wheels. Lastly, stopping the shortest distance while under control is preferable stopping shorter while losing ALL steerage.

 

Oh, you definite have stopping power while your bike wheel ( s) are locked. You just can’t steer anymore.

 

You lose my point: you should never brake so hard that you need abs to keep a wheel from locking. You will stop faster without abs because abs only works once it senses a difference in wheel speed, meaning that you already locked a wheel. The point is that braking as hard as you can without locking a wheel is faster.

ABS works in our trucks by waiting for the wheel speeds to differ, meaning that the wheel does lock, even if it is for just a moment. Also the abs system that we are talking about (1st gen tacoma) has a very limited sensor. The new tacos might treat each wheel individually but the system on these trucks is only looking at wheel speeds between all wheels and they are lower pulse rates than today's trucks. Letting you slide further when you lock.

My problem with this is that you assume that because someone has no abs, they lock wheels. This is not the case if you don't stand on the brakes, you push as hard as the static friction will allow, meaning that you never lose traction and can continue to steer throughout the entire stopping process. This does mean though that you are only pushing as hard as the wheel with the lowest static friction, which in most cases the difference is near negligible.

 

That’s the dumbest fucking thing I’ve read today. 4hi is perfect for highway speeds.

 

You should stop posting horribly mis informed things here. I don’t know who sold you on 4wd not being for driving in snow lol but you need to do some research man.

 

The more the better.

 

Huh ? If that were true, why would anyone even bother putting in a center differential ? Why not just make all cars and trucks like Tonka toys with no differential at all. Mercy, you mean we’ve had diffs in cars and trucks for over a hundred years and they were a waste of time ?