Firearm BS thread

I have an HS403C (Aimpoint style) on my SBR for 2 years and I’m liking it so far.
I recently got an HS507C (RMR style) for my M&P slide that I had cut and I had to RMA the first one out of the box (LED died after 30 rounds) and only have about 150 rounds through the new 507C but I’m happy with it, I’m curious to see how it does long term.

 

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I always go there to check different prices and deals..

 

You’re correct. Yes I’m familiar with the technique. It’s conducted on the snap after you are about finished pie’ing and address the last corner. As I said it depends, light discipline is a thing for a reason, there’s more to combat then in a house.

Likewise, 99% of people don’t know how to clear a room and have no business doing so in the first place for their own safety and the safety of the public. This includes military. If you email didn’t end in vb.socom.mil then chances are (generalization) that closest you learned was a form of urban operation training, just enough to get you killed.

 

Not to mention team cohesion. Going back to the example of the dumbass in Las Vegas or someone trying to “respond” to a school shooting, if you’re lucky the cops won’t mistake you for the assailant. Let’s say they don’t, you’re also getting in the way, and you have never worked with the team responding. Now if your in a Mall without an egress route, by all means hold up somewhere, then gather and “guard” anyone in the vicinity.

Couple years ago we had a former marine, he seen some people stealing from the mall. He then decided to try and stand behind their parked car. When they drove away, he opened fire with several shots. Having a CCW doesn’t make you an off duty swat operator fed. See and hear about scenarios like that far to often.

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This is correct too. Just focusing on the aspect of CQB, be it open or enclosed, it’s extremely dangerous to take on as a individual. Most times, especially in a hurry, you will be forced to make 50/50 decisions that would be otherwise easier to cover in a team or squad. Say you are “clearing your house” and you start pie’ing the already open front door into a center fed room, most likely a living room space with no activity, you have a least one corner that is a guess, then you have however many openings that exist when making depth into the space, mine has 4. A hallway, part of a kitchen, dining room and the beginning of a second living room. While it’s straight forward to pie’ the room and before entering the fatal funnel, I’d have to guess which corner to snap, left or right, then what section of the house to clear while exposed to four other directions of fire just simply by the geometry of the structure. I’d have to enter through the side into the garage and clear from that direction to gain a foot into my structure and hold ground without getting my self pinched by entering into and through the second living room. You don’t always get that option.

 

Clearing a freighter sucks. That is all.

 

TBH the main exercise in a house clearance for most folks is to get all family members accounted for, assuming a threat is present due to an intrusion or whatever, and then hunkering down and awaiting backup from the local PD. 'Fight and move to contact' is definitely a last resort (depending on how far away back up is), for us the contact drill she'll cover while I sweep our way to the kid's rooms. Any further sweeping from that isn't advised as we're pretty close to backup anyway, and they have more gear than I do.

 

This right here. If you're clearing your house, it should be to locate family/friends. Moving to engage is probably not a good idea (barring arsonists or some such. Remember that safe rooms make great ovens, have an escape plan for your escape plan.)

 

So we all agree single man room clearing is bad extremely dangerous. There’s no perfect end all be all to cqb. In any situation. Best outcome is bad guys die and good guys live. If we’re all just bullshitting on the topic:

Having a plan is good, a defensive position is a different topic altogether. However cqb is some aspects are all the same, be it from bedroom to bedroom or a city block. Once you pick up a firearm and go to the low ready with the expectation of a credible threat, it’s all the same regardless of the fall back plan or the amount of time on the X.

Moving to engage sounds so dirty like you’re buttonhooking or doing some of that prehistoric garbage that they probably still teach those poor grunts and vbss dudes today.

In reality being methodical is still what reduces error. Let’s say, modifying a Israeli unlimited entry technique for one man, or if you have a second person...it works perfectly. Or just simply slice the pie. However if you have to move RIGHT NOW to get to say, kids in another room, even if it’s just down a hallway it’s highly probable by moving to quickly to not:

1) process your angles without over exposing and it turning into a straight gun fight
2) Process hands. Nobody likes blue on blue, and it’s hard to explain to the cops why you shot your drunk friend.

This really comes down to pie’ing being a slow tedious process. You should see a shirt sleeve first before you see their body just before showing them the good news.

At least in my experience, you rarely get to determine the specifics of the situation and sometimes we are forced to make decisions. But, if surprise isn’t on your side and/or you have to move like in a full dynamic entry, there’s a potential its going to be light show for better or worst. You’re gucci until you ain’t.

 

Check the length of the mounting screws, make sure they aren't just tad bit long.


Glock 34 with RMR.

 

Well said. Just enough to get you killed. After I was done with military and State Dept stuff I trained swat teams for a little bit. We use to put the glasses on them with video and we can see exactly where they were looking to critique them. We use to do it to regular beat cops and boy were they terrible. There’s no way in hell im trusting a regular patrol cop at clearing houses either. So my advice is unless your a trained professional and keep up with training. Get into a good hiding place, call the police and make the intruder come to you. As you have the element of surprise if you are the one hiding. You can have all the gizmos and optics you want, if you don’t have the training and proficiency to use them you will end up room temp on the floor.

 

Anybody have a Springfield armory 911? I saw one today in a gun store and man are they cute. Don’t know that I’d want one since I’m not a 1911 fan but they looked cool.

 

I have two and they are awesome. I have a full size in 9mm and a Champion (4 inch barrel) in 45acp.

 

Will confirm. But I think I used the same ones for the other optic

 

One might allow the screw go through the slide a bit further...

 

I mean the compact 911, not the 1911 full size

 

OK mr @Tacomania since you have both Im guessing you can guide me a little better with my dilemma here. Im ready to go for my PPQ, but Im undecided as to wether I should get the Q5 or the Q4 TAC. Im leaning a little more towards the Q5 because of the reality of me probably never getting a silencer. On one hand, I can get a compensator with the Q4, but then again I probably wont and people say they're having problems with them. I could buy a walther barrel for the Q5 that is ready for a suppressor if I later decide to get one. Then again if we're going with mods like that I can also get a Q5 conversion kit for the Q4. The drawback there is that it costs a little less than the Q5 itself does. If you could only have one, which one would you get?

 

Well let's start with the purpose of the purchase? Conceal carry, competition, recreational?

I conceal carry the q4. The q5 is a bit of a stretch eventhough I have conceal carried my m9a3 which is heavier and about the same length.

 

Interesting.I wonder if a strong affinity for 1911s would make me love or hate that thing