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You eat 750 trens a day

Then inject protein. Simple really.

 

Grow those organs baby ! Take some good doses of growth and insulin with the tren, double those lungs, heart and liver. Get the tren cough and die by 50 for sure it's worth it to die huuuuuge !

Woot

 

Lmao at one point he was talking about who to buy it from and blah blah blah and he said just make a gym bro. Find a big dude in the gym and get to know him and buy where he buys his lol

it’s all super interesting for real tho and would love to try a cycle one day. When he explained the pump in like week 3-4 when it all kicks in.... fuckkkk I wanna feel that

but lots and lots and lots to learn first lol

 

Interesting. See also "more plates more dates" and Greg doucette on gear. Lots to know if you're considering it.

 

I have not. It looks like a good idea. Take a week to focus on primarily food and eating better.

Although no matter how much I make I still laugh every time I look at the Shakology website and they want $120/bag.
Thats just never gonna happen.

 

Sometimes I do 6 shots a day. Usually 2-3. Depends what I am doing and what muscle group I choose. I can't inject 3cc into my biceps or triceps but I can in my glutes and lats. Also Double shots into the same muscle but a different section of the muscle (like front delt, rear delt, medial delt, etc)

Organs are typically fine, unless you abuse it for too long. Anyone that doesn't compete olympia level as a BB is fine. Organ issue is typically a genetic issue which get ignored (dallas).

First cycle there isn't much to it. Once you try it though, it's hard to stop coming back to it. That was my issue. I had more issues, but alassssssssssssssssss

Too many people are misinformed and misunderstand. Did you know that there is steroids given to infants who are prematurely born? Some are given to women with breast cancer, some are used to treat low red blood cells. Terrible things - no what is terrible is when you abuse, just like anything

 

There are risks associated with use though. Use long enough and you have to be on TRT forever, you no longer make your own testosterone. It makes you less fertile, so if you start young enough biological kids may not be an option after awhile.
And exogenous testosterone does carry greater cardiovascular event risk even with blood donation (and not all of us can donate blood).
Supplemental hormone usage does increase risk of cancer, always does.
Risk of infection from constant needle pricks.
Risks associated with getting tainted product from a shady as fuck company from China.
Increased risk of diabetes and metabolic disease from insulin use.

There are risks. Unfortunately most of the stuff we were all taught in our high school health class about anabolics was wrong but there are risks.

One of the advantages of it becoming legal is we at least have a shot at getting people properly educated on risks of use and how to use “properly”. When its a black market drug it can lead to a lot of misuse and unfortunate circumstances.

What I don’t understand about it is I know what its like for your hormones to be out of whack. Even when that “off” is them being high. Especially T and thyroid hormones.
You feel like an overstimulated steaming pile of shit. Everyone I know that uses always comments on how shitty you feel on them.
Why anyone wants to do that to themselves in the name of bigger biceps I do not understand.
But then again I kind of do... LOL
I just would be more inclined to try blood doping vs T.

Its a lot of work. Constant pricks and tests and having to know every tiny thing about what you put into your body. Pass, I’m too lazy LOL.
But for those of you that do

 

So when you’re off season or retire from the big stuff... what would your daily life look like? 2 shots a week like test and deca? Just a small amount to keep you going or what?

 

I’m not using the shakology stuff, just the workout videos and eating clean with “regular” food.

 

Yeah because WTF can afford $4 a scoop? Lol

Report back on how you feel after the 7 days

 

Will do, I can tell you that 2 days in I’m very sore, even the “cardio” video had some core work in it, my main soreness is my legs though, I’m not used to doing squats and lunges and those are two of their favorite exercises.

 

When I get away from P90X and go back to it, especially the legs day my whole body is covered in DOMS lol.
Bodyweight work is the real deal

 

The bold part is what I pray for someday. There is some good Dr out there that don't care you use, and just want you healthy - I yearn for those days.

Also yo're not wrong about the above, but we could use those arguments with pretty much anything (not same type effects - but everything has cons/pros)

I also wouldn't recommend anyone ever deal with insulin, there's just too many variables (unless diabetic type 1 obv).

Alot to touch on, but the feeling like poo was nowhere near the highs and lows I felt when I was natural suffering from whatever was causing my Low t.

Basically, yea. Most likely Primobolan if you can afford it.

 

@95 taco do you like the Cize workout? I might do that one day a week for cardio/toning when I am avoiding doing plyo. I get pain in my Quadriceps tendon every now and then so depending on the week a lot of jumping can be a no go.

 

One guy on YT said he's now 45 yo or so now and does 150mg of test a week and that's it. Still jacked from before.

It is a mental problem, I hear, in that you love the growth but hate it when off so many tend to not train when off cycle. So bad habits. Then some bodies respond well, others not. And yeah, has to be carefully dosed, blood tests, etc.

 

Add some eccentric work to your routine.
I do single leg leg presses and single leg leg extensions.
Use both legs to get the weight up then come down super slow (take at least 4 mississippi’s) on one leg.
Use low enough weight where you aren’t shaking like a mad man.

This has helped my trail running give me less quad tendon pain.

 

I really enjoy it, I first did it about 2 years ago, I was part of a workout group of about 5 people and we would do it for a workout as well as to learn the choreography so we would dance at the bar (we never did unfortunately) and I think it’s really helped me learn to make quick movements with my feet.
I started doing it intermittently again over the past few months and it’s a great variation to normal gym workouts, the one move that does bother me is the hop (shin splint pain) but I just modified it to be low impact.

 

I will be trying P90 or P90X once I finish Clean Week, I’ve heard all good things about it.
Bodyweight workouts are what my trainer started me on and I feel like they’re very effective compared to what I have been doing in the gym so I think my best option is to alternate to optimize results.

 

Tony Horton cracks me up. I know he can annoy a lot of people to the point where they mute him but I enjoy his dumb ass jokes.

I need to check out his other programs sometime. The 90 minute routines kind of kick my ass. Especially the yoga

Spoken by a dude who goes on 2.5 hour runs weekly lol

 

All the guys I know who are done competing are at least on TRT, which is usually one shot a week. A few who still do cycles for the hell of it are only doing like a 500mg/wk Test and EQ cycle for 12 weeks just cause its easy and low sides. No one does deca as a maintenance "keep you going" thing, that's a bad idea lol


So here is my take on this for new guys and doing it safely with caution. Not saying I am the most experienced, having only done a few oral cycles before and now currently on my first pinning cycle. This is how I did it and how I look at it. I do PCT, I'm pretty sure Supra and the others here do that part differently (blast and cruise), so my advice may be a little different. Keep in mind everyone is going to be different and there is a 99% chance you aren't going to end up like those IG models with huge muscles, 4% bf, and perfect hair. You very well may be one of the guys who loses half his hair, gets bad acne, and gets huge. You never know!

-I am a firm believer in being at least 25-27 years old before starting anything. A lot of kids start before their endocrine system is fully developed or while it is pumping like crazy and then end up ruining themselves and fucking up their hormones. I am also a firm believer in doing PCT instead of getting on trt early and blasting on cycle. Having said that, I think trt/blasting is the best option for guys who make this their life and commit 100% to it. PCT is best for new guys who want to go back to natural testosterone production between cycles and don't want to rely on trt just yet.

-You need to have a goal and a reason, not just be a gym bro who wants to get big... That's cool and all but its not worth the risks and side effects just to be big for a little bit.

-You need to have trained consistently in that goal/discipline for at least 3 years and proved to yourself that its what you really want to do and that it is worth it to you to take the risks. This entire time should be spent researching how-tos, sources, reading cycle logs, etc... I spent 5 years learning all the gear and meds, finding forums and info on podcasts, learning about PCT using SERMS and SARMs and how to do it correctly, learning about what sides to look for and how to treat them, learning half lifes and interactions of all meds and researching the organ supports that are best. There is a lot more lol

-You need to have a solid diet and eat before any type of steroid. I mean for years... Proper diet and training will do so much more than people think.

-Try to get close to natural potential first, especially training for strength.


Doing steroids PROPERLY is not easy like people think, and I would argue that its harder to train on steroids correctly and safely than it is to train natty. You will see better gains on steroids yes, but I say this for the following reasons: You have to know where to get good gear, you have to know how to inject and deal with injection pain or bad injections, you have to know when to inject and plan out injections and track everything. You have to have every support supp and med (AI, PCT meds, liver support) on hand prior to starting and know how to dose them and know how they all interact with each other, not to mention know how they work and when to use them when side effects show. For example, gyno, low libido, hair falling out, limp dick, etc... You have to get blood work done and know how to interpret it and adjust doses accordingly. You have to be disciplined to constantly eat right, drink 2 gallons of water, and not have alcohol or put any extra strain on organs (mainly liver). You have to be disciplined to not chase the pumps and PRs alone and have the same drive in the gym while off cycle or on PCT. You have to be disciplined to take the proper time off between and not always want to be on cycle feeling gains. You have to know your body and know when its time to stop, by this I mean monitor all your blood work (cholesterol, lipid panel, kidney function) and take it seriously. Before I started I read every cycle log I could and I researched every side effect and read about people who had issues or even died and what went wrong. Before, on, and after any cycle the primary thing I do is full blood tests, and I mean everything lol I make sure my liver and kidneys are functioning 100%, I constantly monitor BP, hell I even started to get yearly artery doppler checks to check for my arteries hardening or the walls thickening, which is what contributed to Rich Pianas death. You also need to be aware of any underlying issues or family history. If you already have bad cholesterol, high BP, or poor organ function then don't even think about cycling anything, its not worth it. Look at powerlifter Steve Gentili, he ran a lot of gear and never did these checks, he also had poor kidney function from genetics. Now he is on the kidney transplant list and constantly fighting sickness and issues and is done competing.


Lastly, you have to be able to deal with the emotional/psychological issues that can arise from hormone changes or when you see yourself get big and strong and then lose mass afterwards, or when your dick doesn't work for a week, or when your dick does work and you want to fuck everything... its all part of it. You really have to be in touch with your body and emotions. Without discipline you will lose your gains, and all that money, time, and risk ends up being for nothing but a few IG flex pics before you go right back to your old self.


Tl;dr Have a goal and research until you think you know everything, then spend another 4 years researching.