Tacoma -vs Ranger 2019 sales figures...it aint pretty

Stock not great for sure but the ICON rig looks good.

 

I read about 25 pages of this thread and thought, this is the most intelligent and civil discussion I have seen in the 3rd gen forum. Then someone mentioned drum brakes, it went to hell and my faith was restored.

 

Here’s one for the naysaying Jabronis.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q27f79Phr_Q

 

The reason gasoline will persist for a long time goes far beyond cars and trucks. We depend on oil for so many things, like diesel fuel, plastic and asphalt. Gasoline is a byproduct of crude oil, just like all those other things.

I am fine with electric vehicles. I am not married to one or the other. But to say gas vehicles will be a hassle to own in 10 years is ignorance and little more.

 

How long do you predict it will be before the modern gas engine becomes something of that similar to an engine that requires leaded gasoline in regards to no fuel supply?

 

Beyond my lifetime. Estimates are that we have enough oil to last another 200 years, plus or minus. Since I turn 50 in 2020, that is more time than I have left on this rock.

 

Yes, the supply predictions are convincing. I think the drive for EVs and alternative engines is more driven by environmental concerns. Thinking further, 200 years isn't all that long.

 

Behind a home, automobiles are often the second most expensive asset people purchase. There is no way hundreds of millions of them will be rendered useless in 10 years. There will be a slow transition to EV's, but the process will be slow. There are many places they make sense. And there are many where they do not. At least not yet. Maybe 20 years from now, but that is a big maybe. The technology simply doesn't work for many tasks.

 

100% agree. I was thinking something along the lines of "during my children's lifetime".

 

My parents were both born in the 1920's.

My dad talked about his father having to shovel coal into the furnace at home.

My mother's uncle delivered coal/ drove a coal truck for his living.

I can't remember ever seeing a coal truck when I was young.

Just saying.

 

Coal is still being mined and burned today, what’s your point?

 

I have a 19 Sr5 and my friend has a 19 Ranger xlt. Both double cab 4x4. We both came out of full size trucks. Chevy for me Ford for him. On road the ranger seat of the pants just feels quicker. He is averaging about 1.5 gallon per mile less than me over 20 k miles. The inside of the ranger looks and feels cheep. He agrees and he is a Ford fanboy.

 

Still between a third and half of all electric power is still coal generated to charge those EVs.

 

Just an observation.

It seems that coal was a common fuel to heat homes at one point, and was quickly replaced by heating oil and natural gas after WWII.

It certainly wasn't concern about the environment that brought this change about.

Things change.

Not debating coal as a fuel source.

 

Tangentially, there's still a house a couple of block away that never replaced its coal fired steam system. Most houses that kept their steam radiators were converted mainly to natural gas here and some (like ours) went fully forced air as you say. It couldn't be done necessarily in a major city due to emissions restrictions but here (I don't live anywhere near Denver anymore) it's not a problem. It is ironic, they tell me that now due to demand for coal being low they pay next to nothing to keep their house nice and warm. It's a little inconvenient to get compared to the days of having the coal man stop by but not really any more so than people who have to put up wood each fall. They just have to go get a dump trailer of coal periodically.

 

Things do change, I imagine 70+years ago when natural gas and home heating oil came into play people thought coal would be extinct yet it’s still being used.

It’s the same with all this EV talk, yeah there will be more and more in use but gas/diesel ones will not disappear in our lifetime.

 

I have no doubt that the internal combustion engine will still be common place a decade from now. I like Mazda's approach best.

 

Yes, coal is still burned to heat homes.

It actually made a small resurgence when heating oil prices began to climb.

There is a massive infrastructure tied to ICE vehicles- from petroleum refining/ delivery to vehicle manufacture to maintenance.

The infrastructure for EV is less massive-

Fueling infrastructure is already here, although upgrades to the grid will be necessary.

EV are much more simple machines- much less moving parts. From what I read, all the big ICE vehicle producers are anticipating major labor force reductions and are struggling to remain viable post ICE.

The workforce tied to parts manufacture and vehicle repair will also see big losses.

As stated before, economy of scale keeps ICE vehicles affordable- once ICE demand starts declining, the cost of ownership will steadily rise.

As happened in the 70's- all it will take is an event that cause oil prices to rise dramatically and ICE vehicles will be stick a fork in it "done".

In my opinion, of course.

 

I just don’t see it happening anytime soon. All those cords to charge all our electric devices gets plugged into a socket that the other end is attached to a fuel source that generates power. We can’t charge batteries from other batteries and not have a power source.

Other countries will have no problem supplying us with parts to fix our ICE vehicles.

 

WTF . Coal power debate? I see thread title and start reading about Tacoma/Rangers. Coal?