3rd gen Magnuson Supercharger release March

How did I know that's where you guys were going.

Putting turbos in trucks and expecting the turbos to absorb the lack of displacement there to perform the towing duties is a horrible idea. You find me an Ecoboost that works and I'll find you an Ecoboost that has blown its engine.

 

Why wouldn't we go there? They are real world examples of trucks with turbos working. Nothing to say about diesel trucks and towing?

 

How dare you use real world, logical examples to support your argument.

 

Ecoboost is literally a 3.5L

 

5.9, 6.0 6.5 7.0? Those diesels have MASSIVE engines that are designed to take it, and even then, let's say they didn't have the turbos, they are still incredibly capable with the diesel engine alone. Don't think for one second though that they don't have their grunt of issues either. I know plenty of diesel owners running around with bad turbos, but hey, that is the animal they choose to own.

Yes they work, but they are like a box of chocolates... Some of them have been really good and some have been atrociously bad. All built to the same QC standard too.

And?

A 2.7L and a 3.5L engine (that's what they come in) for towing 10,000 lbs or more is asking for suicide by flame front eventually if you ask me.

Clearly I'm preaching to the wrong gen here.

 

I know. I got yelled at before for actually quoting and article that contained data to make my point. Because apparently literally quoting something is now stoopid or something

 

Turbos can be just as reliable as superchargers. It all depends on tuning.

 

Jalopnik has an article on the 3.5EB that has 200k on the clock. Reliable enough imo.

 

Who's towing 10000+ pounds with a Tacoma?

 

You must be dense. What part of sacraficing reliability and turbo did you not see in my first post? There is inherently more maintenance in a turbo and that was EXACTLY what I was getting at. Nothing more. You throw turbos on the taco and there will be more maintenance right from the gate.

It's not a QC issue. It's a mechanical issue thing, but I'm done here.

 

Yes there is more maintenance, oh no not that.

And I agree it wasn't the best comment, hence why I deleted it.

 

I personally like it. It's nice to debate pros and cons. Really flushes out a glimmer of truth, on both sides of the coin.

 

So modifying your taco from stock requires more maintenance? Yup that's logical. I'm personally going to SC mine, but even that requires some SC maintenance too. Like replacing the nose drive at a certain mileage.

 

It just elevates your vehicles status from "reliable" to "project" is all. Some people don't want that at all and some eventually get sick of it. Streetability goes to supercharger in my book and modability goes to turbocharger in my book. Both have their pros and cons.

No one should just slap FI on their vehicle without doing a little research to determine which of the two available options will be better tailored to suit their needs. Of course that doesn't always happen because all some folks see are the numbers. "OOO 100HP additional?! Sold!"

Of course the nose drive thing at a certain mileage I really dont know where you got that from? I have seen so many people with their original nose drive pieces still intact after 2-300K with no sign of letting up, unless you are talking about your nose drive coupler? The spring loaded unit which is inside?

 

I don't think it makes it a project car. Like I said that 3.5EB had over 200k with no issues. Isn't there an oil u need to change in the SC every so often?

 

200K is not bad, but that is literally one truck out of the herd plus we have no idea how it was driven.

As far as the oil for the blower goes, that's what they say, but in all truth, not really, because it doesn't see any shear due to excessive rotational forces or contamination to its viscosity, like engine oil which sees a ton of contamination during it's time in the engine, like fuel and a bunch of other things. The only thing that oil lubricates is the meshing gear teeth inside of the nose drive. You can honestly wait 100K and some people I have seen never change it. The only time I have ever touched it was for changing my nose drive coupler which took all of 5 minutes to remove from the system, maybe another 5 to reinstall.

 

I think Magnuson recommends replacing at 60k miles, at least in the past. Of course you can go without replacing, and I'm sure they can last to 2-300k miles without apparent issues, but what exactly are you arguing? There is additional maintenance required with a SC is all I'm saying. It's not the holy grail of mods that fits everyone's application.

In general though I agree, if your goals are more hp as "reliably" as possible, I would go for a tuned with warranty SC option over turbo, but if I were going for max power I would go turbo with the understanding of what I'm getting into. I think you're just trying to help educate people, and it's not coming out as clearly as you're intending.

 

Since when does more maintenance for added parts mean something is less reliable. It just means it needs proper maintenance for the part....

 

You pretty much got it.

Supercharger is just more reliable than turbocharger as far as maintenance interval or even breakage goes because of the location of it and the way it induces it's air. A blower sits right on top of the engine, draws it's air still from the intake assembly and is in no way connected to the exhaust while a turbo draws is directly fed by exhaust gasses. The difference we are talking here is some 1000 deg. F.. its so much that it requires engine oil cooling to help keep the temps down. The chances of failure to the turbo or wastegate or any of it's other items in close proximity to the near cherry red item is much higher than something which still draws it's air from the outside environment semi- naturally (I say semi because it is still forcing additional unnatural air into the engine) and maybe gets 1/3 as hot as it's cousin FI setup.

Me speaking from personal preference I just don't like anything that hot as an additional engine add on to add power to my engine. Not everyone feels the same, but maybe that's just the tuner in them. I prefer to keep my FI with simplicity not complexity.

 

It sounds like your definition of reliable differs from common consumerism.

I define maintenance as oil changes, spark plugs (you know, cheaper services and usually easy stuff to replace), not replacing high dollar items like turbo assemblies because their impeller broke, or replacing damaged wastegates or clogged oil cooler lines.