MPG on auto vs manual

You do realize that 1998 was 21 years ago, right? That Civic had an incredibly basic 4 speed OD that is more similar to something from 1980 than 2020.

 

Well that's one in a row.

 

Thank you for the math lesson. So the 1998 is more similar to 1980? WRONG.

1998 had air bags, fuel injection, anti lock brakes, power steering, power windows and door locks.

Tell me what major mechanical or technological differences there are between 1998 and now. Besides a distance sensor, what?

 

The Chevy SS Manual from a few years ago was listed with higher MPGs if I remember correctly

 

...the transmission? The thing we're talking about?

More advanced sensors, two additional forward gears, less torque converter slippage because it's less necessary with said forward gears, an order of magnitude faster computer response that allows things like converter lockup in gears other than OD and more precise shift patterns, more advanced clutch pack compounds... I mean the list goes on here.

 

You are correct... though looking it up, it has the exact same city and highway ratings but 1 more MPG combined which is pretty funny.

 

We were talking civics. Civic still gets about the same MPG as it did 20 years ago. Civic now has CVT trans.

The Tacoma MPG really has not improved since the 1st gen. The technology has advanced, but they just keep getting heavier.

 

NOTE: THIS IS WHERE YOU GOT LOST

6 speed or "infinite" CVT it just proves my point and I don't care what a car is equipped with. Automatics have made more strides in the past 15 years than they did in the 60 prior. The rest of the car means fuck all because it's common between both transmission types - the only real difference between most cars is the transmission and that is where the difference in economy is. That is the topic being discussed and everything else is irrelevant.

 

I thought l remembered something about the Automatic having a higher gas guzzler tax too.

 

I’d like to meet her.

 

With 285/75/17, I think I get better mpgs than my A/T bretheren. My 6th gear actually cruises with the RPM in the 2k range.

 

If you drive in the same direction as the rotation of the earth you get a little extra. Try to drive mainly East.

 

so the folks with the MT... has it been reliable and easy to shift? I am leaning towards getting one. Dont know when, maybe one day toyota announces that they will stop making manual tacoma, then I would get one!

 

It's easy, but truck-like.
The clutch travel is vast, the shifter is notchy, and there's play in the trans/suspension mounts... as you'd expect in a truck.

 

Same here. I drive fast and like that I can drive my 2.7 like a total dick and still get 22mpg.

 

I would imagine they'll be pretty reliable. My first gen had about 180kmi on it when I sold it.
The issues I've seen are- groaning clutch pedal, accumulator delay, notchy 2nd and 3rd gears, engine rpm hang.
Once you get used to the quirks it's really not that bad...

 

I went from a 2011 SR5 AT to my current truck and at first was a little disappointed with how clunky it felt. But I hadn't driven a stick in 10 years and turns out it was operator error. Of the 4 trucks I drive on a regular basis which are all manual, the Tacoma is by far the easiest to drive.

 

The gearbox itself is absolutely butter smooth compared to the 2nd Gen Manual, the very first time I sat in the seat and moved the shifter I was surprised how much smoother.

 

I've got a completely stock AT 2020 PRO. Around town, where I rarely get above 40mph and there is a lot of stop and go, I'm getting about 11 mpg. When I get it on the freeway for long stretches I can easily get 21mpg.

When I had my 2016 TRD Sport with a MT and heavy ass Cooper ST Maxx tires I got better mileage in town, maybe 14mpg and often times better. I could control things better. On the freeway though the best I could do was 17/18mpg.

I like driving both the MT and the AT. Just not seeing much of a benefit with the AT because most of my driving is puttering around town.