Outter end of CV axle rubbing hub assembly (Bad Hub Press Job)

I had them installed. But many people don't run the safety screw and do fine with just the snap ring.

 

Yeah right now I discovered some pretty bad gouges from the machine shop breaking the first bearing they tried to press on the passenger side. I've pulled a spindle from an 02 4Runner with ABS to replace it. I can't prove it was them because it's been a year and I doubt they'll hear me out.

And while I now know the press job was bad for sure. I'm not sure why the CVJ reman axles are rubbing the brass on my OEM untouched factory spindles and hubs (off my project truck). Makes me not want to reuse them.

 

I'm running NAPA calipers and had to buy a hardware pack for them. I might go check my Tundra outside and see what it's factory brakes look like.

 

Still not 100% sure how far I should go with new parts. It's become very obvious a terrible press job is the main issue. But the CVJ CVs still contact on all my spindles so I can't use those again. Then I have to worry about the possibility of scarring all the way down the inner diameter of the spindles. And do I stick with the DuraGo hub assembly on the one side where it contacted barely at all? Maybe it's fine maybe it's not.

Deep grooves are allover inside the passenger side spindle and I just found one groove dug in next to the lock ring on the driver side. I guess I didn't see it during my 4WD conversion because I was screwing the lock rings in at night and I torqued them the next day with a friend helping. Whether or not these grooves on the inside will cause issues is a question I can't answer. I'll have to press the old wheel bearings out to discover any further damage.

I have one new passenger spindle off a daily driven 4Runner in the local yard. I used to see the 4Runner on my campus driven by an older lady. Only reason it's in the yard is a bad trans. If needed I'll grab the other ABS spindle, new wheel hubs, new bearings, and be done with it.

 

That sucks dude. Sounds like you have the know how and ability to address it at least. Also sounds like a solid plan to address this weird rubbing. Maybe pick up a new axle from Vatozone, BUT ONLY FOR COMPARING, as it'll be a cheap Chinese garbage alloy axle. And can return it after, maybe it'll help us notice what else could be going on, know what I mean?

 

At first I was completely overwhelmed. Now I've calmed down a bit. The reality is only a few parts can be at fault. Just need to figure out if it was one part or a combination.

Definitely need one more control group for the CV axles like you said. Plus I'll be tossing those OEM ones I have on my flatbed in a few days.

 

Preparing for next week. Which is also my first week of spring semester. Got the 4Runner ABS spindle disassembled for sand blasting and paint. Bought an O'Reillys CV axle for testing purposes. Once I figure out what's going on with the CVs I'll proceed with the press job. Need to transfer everything off my passenger spindle onto the new one and get new wheel bearings and one new hub assembly pressed in. Going to risk it with my DuraGo driver hub assembly.

 

I am really looking forward to how this play out.

 

Sand blasted the new passenger spindle and hit it with some primer. Going to finish painting it tomorrow. A bit overkill but I wasn't about to put a rusty spindle on my double cab. The old one had good factory paint so this one will be painted to match.

Going to try and do the CVJ CV axle test tomorrow. If the CVJ axles still rub the brass ring and the O'Reillys and OEM axles don't then we have a problem.

 

Why do they have different part numbers (left and right) for spacers, snap rings and stuff?!?

 

No idea. Those aren't the part numbers that you would use. Hovering over them on the specific website I'm using reveals the actual part numbers. Which would be identical.

 

Good news and bad news. Good news is I got the hubs and bearings pressed in. And the replacement spindle looks great. Bad news is my buddy stuck the dust shields on the wrong spindles. I went home to grab a new snap ring (the spindle with the major gouging in the wall below had a bent snap ring retaining the bearing) and my buddy who's machine shop press I was using went ahead and pressed in the hub assemblies while I was gone. He did everything right like supporting the bearing properly, lubed it with wheel bearing grease, etc. But he put the dust covers on wrong... not sure how to go about things from there.

I got sort of mad at him because I specifically mentioned the dust shields. So I'm buying new bearings as I don't trust the the integrity of these once they've been pressed out. And new seals as well as a harbor freight 20 Ton press. If you want something done right do it yourself.

As for the CV axles my testing is inconclusive. All the CVs seem to rub the brass a little bit. And I've been looking around at a lot of used CVs and most CV axles have a wear mark where they contact the brass ring sometimes. I might risk it and run the CVJ axles again just rebooted. Hope for the best from there. The new parts get in on the 29th unfortunately. My project truck is stuck in my driveway with seized alignment cams which is just wonderful.

 

Are you talking the splash sheilds? If I was in your spot and was certain that he pressed the bearings in properly, I would be tempted to cut them off till I had to get back in there....mine is missing completely on the passenger side...

 

I see you said your buddy supported the bearing correctly,, the pic of the press being used up above is really hard to see down inside, but I still don't see anything being used to press on the "outside" race on the bearing going in. Still looks like it's being pressed on the inner race, but like I said I can't really see inside the hub that well.

 

Doesn’t really matter how you press out the hub assembly as long as you aren’t destroying the brass. I have no pictures of the hubs/bearings being pressed in. I left once we agreed on what press sleeves/sockets to use.

 

I just learned that he also used some low quality inner and outer seals instead of my Toyota ones. Specifically told him “don’t know why I brought these so just use the seals in the Toyota packaging”.

He said I was drinking the Toyota kool-aid. But when aftermarket seals literally look and feel worse, have very low reviews online, and you’ve had terrible experiences with aftermarket parts. You tend to have a preference to OEM.

I’ll be purchasing a harbor freight 20 Ton press this weekend. Then I’ll need to find some sockets or sleeves that fit. If you want something done right do it yourself I guess.

 

OK, I see said the blind man,,, I thought you were installing in that pic not taking apart.

 

The situation just gets more and more odd. So after watching Timmy's video on the CV axle reboot and boot slide mod I went out in the garage to do mine. But I noticed something off. My CV axles have the snap ring under the joint while Timmy showed it on top of the joint in his video here at 12:18. Going to continue disassembly and try and figure out what's going on with these CVJ axles. If they truly are only using OEM parts something is wrong here. Or there are multiple OEM axle designs (other than manual hub/add of course).

 

The truck is back together on the road again. The CV axles were fine. This is just how manual hub CV axles are designed. Not much documentation out there on this and it's odd Toyota failed to include their design in any part diagrams. They include manual hub assemblies in the diagrams after all.

The whole brass shavings issue was caused by the hubs being pressed in wrong. Ended up costing me a new spindle, hub assembly, seals/wheel bearings, and a lot of money and time. Throw in the fact that I don't trust anything touched by that machine shop and suddenly I've had to drive 3.5 hours to get a new 4WD length rear driveshaft. The same Jerry guy cut and balanced my 2WD rear driveshaft. I'd say this was a $850 expense that Jerry the machinist caused.

The CVs possibly being at fault too was a valid concern. I've heard a lot of horror stories about CVJ at this point and I didn't want to rule them out until I was 100% sure. I will check the hub assemblies out again in a month or two to make sure everything is fine.

 

I just went to reboot one of my axles and found the same thing.

What I did was take the lower snap ring off, slide down the tripod head, remove the C-clip on the top, then slide the tripod head up and off the shaft. Assuming you did the same thing.

Also, be careful with those 3 rollers on the head. One of mine came right off accidentally because there's just a small rubber seal to keep it on there. Once they come off, all of the needle rollers fell out and right into the grease never to be seen again....

Found all but two of the needle roller bearings.
Soooo ended up turning that axle into a 2wd kit.

Glad to hear your truck is back in action though.
What did you do differently when pressing the spindles yourself this time around?