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Bilstein 5100 + eibach coils maxed out

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Orange_black, Jan 25, 2020.

  1. Jan 25, 2020 at 1:49 PM
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    So i bought this lift for my 2016 4x4 OR.

    https://www.bilsteinlifts.com/shop/...ith-eibach-coils-for-2016-2019-toyota-tacoma/

    My buddy installed it but they put the shocks on the highest setting. I told them it wasnt supposed to be but they seem to think itll be ok because of the diff drop. It appears to have given me about 3.25 inches of lift in the front. My question is... will this be ok? Is the 2" max lift something the manufacturers say to cover their butts? This is my daily driver. I will not be doing much off roading in it. First post btw. I'm scared lol. Thanks!
     
  2. Jan 25, 2020 at 2:01 PM
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    In Taco... No Bueno..... First clip setting, same as other after market spring. It even mentions that on link you posted (as you mentioned). You might get away with second clip setting, but I wouldn't.
     
  3. Jan 25, 2020 at 2:03 PM
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    What is the problem? Is it the cv angles only?
     
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    Did you drive the truck with the new lift? Do you like it?
     
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    Many problems. Those 5100's are not going to last. Your preloading those spring so much (compressing longer than stock springs) The 5100's are going to most likely fail/break.
    How's it ride, like a dump truck? Yes CV angles at 3.5 " lift, needle bearing. Alignment, if no new (after market) upper control arms.
     
  6. Jan 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM
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    I actually do like it. Feels like a truck. The stock suspension was too soft for me
     
  7. Jan 25, 2020 at 2:36 PM
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    My understanding is the coils are the same length but stiffer than stock. The alignment went ok. They said it is maxed out but it aligned.
     
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    Man, make em redo it. You are suppose to keep em on 0. Not only will you have a rougher down travel, you risk binding the spring under max force conditions
     
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    Correct me if I am wrong.
    Springs compress linearly. So the weight of the front end doesnt change therefore the prestress in the spring stays the same no matter what notch the shock is set on. Changing the setting simply moves the height of the spring in relation to the truck, thus giving additional lift.
    ???
     
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    Your compressing that heavier weight spring (Preloading it) So yes, it's giving you more lift. But It can't compress (down travel) the same as if it was set at normal height. That 5100 is most likely topped out (over extending it). Hope you got the gist of what I am saying.
     
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    Yes I get it now. I already told them I want them to redo it.
     
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    Ive posed that exact question to headatrong and
    i’ve posed that exact question to headstrong and this was there response
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    Springs dont give "lift" period. the end. and go fix your truck before you completely and needlessly ruin it. Dont let any anecdotal-full retard advise here sway you any other way. Everyone has their Uncle Bill who smoked 2 packs a day and lived to be 80, but for god sake you couldnt possibly reccommend that as a "healthy" option.
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    Adding a spacer to "lift" the truck won't accomplish what youre trying to do. All it does is push the truck up by reducing the overall available suspension stroke, making your ride worse and less capable than stock.

    the extra lift from the spacer is extending the distance from the bottom of your strut to the top of your strut. Also with a spacer extending your strut, you're much more likely to bottom out the shock (or max out the travel), which will give you that jarring effect, and eventually fuck your CV's.
    A spacer will change the extended and collapsed lengths. So now you'll bottom out on the coilover and overextend the ball joints. the downside to all "coil spring suspension lift kits" is that they alter the operating angles of the various links (or radius arms) and track bars in the system, changing the designed geometry of the system
     
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    a spring never, ever, ever provides lift. You can increase spring RATE (600lb>650lb), which yields the appearance of a 'lift' because the nose is compressing less into the shocks total, but then the valving will not be correct, and the truck will now drive and react erratically. The weight of the spring rate, the shock body/valving and the weight of your truck should are all co-dependent.
     
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    Not sure what your rant is about. If the springs dont lift, dont tell me its the shock absorbers keeping the truck up. I dont recall hearing about a spacer in this discussion either
     
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    You fail to say what provides lift
     
  17. Jan 25, 2020 at 4:04 PM
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    I cant believe this place some times. If you think springs provide "lift" on trucks there is nothing I can do to help you. The only effect it has is on "ride height". also, click the link in the OP's post. its a spacer lift.

    Adding a block or adding a leaf increases the distance between your axle and frame and your rear shocks are connected to your axle at the bottom and your frame at the top. Theres no world where you can add distance without the shocks extending as a result of this. What it means for the shock is that youll lose down-travel before they hit an extreme, because theyve already used up some of it to compensate for the block.
     
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    One day you will have an "ah-HA!" moment and you will understand the physics at hand here.

    A longer spring with the same 600lb rating is not going to hold the truck up any better, period end of story.
    -you are dealing with a fixed distance between spring seats and of course in that case ride height would increase.
    dealing with an adjustable preload, or an adjustable distance between the seats.
    -With the same given spring rate and ride height, the longer spring will take the same amount of preload.
    -The only difference would be the total length of the preloaded coil, it would be longer.
     
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    Omg. Yeah we get increased ride height and on this forumn, we call that lift. Geez. Whether with bigger springs or preloading, we call it lift even tho you dont want to admit that. Its what supports the truck at a higher ride height...and thats the springs, so yes springs give lift. 2 + 2 = 4. You still didnt answer what provides lift in your head
     
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    Are you listening to yourself, you say springs dont give lift then you say springs will change ride height. Cmon really?
     

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