Went to the auto show today to check out the 2020 and I think we’re almost done

@stun gun is back

 

Wouldn't you need many more consumable parts and fluids to maintain the ICE truck?
-constant gasoline supply
-oil
-sparkplugs
-EFI sensory (O2, MAS, throttle...)
-many filter types (fuel, air..)

you would be totally dependant on the delivery of gasoline and engine oil (big brother as you are worries about). not to mention parts suppliers (big brother corporations).

I think during a "war" type scenario these things will be harder to come by (especially the gasoline).

vs. laying out solar panels all day to charge your truck or some other "doomsday" home brew electric power generation. seems easier vs making sure oil/gas can be delivered to your gas station and walmart during tough times.

I am aware electric cars require maintenance, but failing to change the cabin air filter on your cyber truck wont have the same effects as failing to change the oil on your tacoma.

Also speculation, aside. It seems basic driving functions can be maintained by just recharging your car. Many tesla owners report doing absolutely nothing to their car for the first 80k miles. They have been out for many years now so it's not wild speculation. I know batteries can go bad and electric motors fail, but at this point it seems like the exception not the rule for the majority of folks driving electric.

 

It's magic hydrocarbons !

No need to worry about pumping / drillin it out from the earth, moving the crude around the globe, spending a huge amount of energy in separating it / distillation, then spending even more energy shipping the final products around the globe. Yeah electricity is dumb

 

It’s not dumb. It’s just not UNdumb. I would say it will end up being a catastrophe on some level. After we’ve bombed out Chile and Argentina, set up our own governments there, and strip mine the fuck out of their land. Once we’ve mined all the lithium, there will still be lots of hydrocarbons. It’s like it never runs out!

 

I mean surely you realize that the vast majority of electricity is produced from something pumped or drilled out of the earth, right? And that it requires huge amounts of money to collect and meter correctly, and even more energy/money to transport to your house or the charging station or whatever. Right?

 

All said and done, gas recovers 3-4 times more energy than electric.
People fail to realize the inefficiencies of producing, transforming(high), transmitting and transforming(low) electricity.

 

No. It’s trickery with numbers and the way you are calculating it. Gasoline in a motor is indeed more efficient at turning into kinetic vs taking natural gas at a power plant , turning it into electricity and transmitting it to ur Tesla in the garage which then charges ur batteries and at last turns it into KE. But like I said this is manipulating numbers which doesn’t even consider the energy associated with drilling / distilling/ and distribution to a gas station (we are talking petroleum not natural gas or coal).
By this logic light bulbs are an inefficient use of coal powered electricity and we should just burn oil lamps.


Also electricity is not 100% from coal or natural gas a little less than half comes from renewable (Hydro) and nuclear , which is totally ignored in that calculation u all keep mentioning.

 

Just going to leave this here... 36.3%=Nuc+Renewables

Nuclear 807 19.4%
Renewables (total) 703 16.9%
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

 

What makes you think it's ok to disparage people for their religion bigot?

 

Because people like you who don’t embrace progression who would rather hold on to outdated values because it is easier to hold on to something that you are familiar with rather than learn and embrace something new. You see that is how ignorance runs rampant

 

hey my friend I am not disparaging anyone of their religion. Just have a open mind as you walk through life

 

imagine thinking Christian virtue and the right to bear arms are "outdated values". The elitist hubris from people like you is pathological at this point: you regurgitate lectures on "progression" and "open-mindedness" while simultaneously invalidating the entire ideology that built a world that peaefully tolerates people like you (Christianity) and mocking people who want to be stewards of their own security ("bullets").

 

Would you think it's ok to put down Muslims for their beliefs? What about Jews? This kind of blatant bigotry has no place in society, or on this board.

 

So the real enemy here is Population.

 

Fact

 

New nuclear fission tech
H3 fusion.

this is where we need to go. Stop fooling around with chemical energy, and get back to unlocking the universe’s power plant —the atom.

 

This quote is only applicable because you live just outside of Manhattan. This isn't the case for ~80% of the country.

Try spending a week at Killington or Stowe and finding a supercharger. It sucks.

 

The idea of Tesla's or any electric vehicle\lithium battery based vehicle maintaining performance through consecutive YEARS of mid-west winters is laughable. Virtually all of the electric vehicles gestalt was formed from anecdotal experiences from Southern-California, the South-west and Texas. No one even considers the objective reality of EV's and Cold weather performance being drastically different (negatively) in real-world conditions, let alone the type of weather you get in the mid-west and North-east.

Electric vehicles are designed to be a 'SERVICE' a 'consumer' utilizes, a prime "lease" vehicle if there ever was one. Like all things created by the current attitude in the corporate/consumer market, EV's are designed to be upgraded on the I-phone 'planned-obsolescence' schedule, the diametric opposite of Toyota's historic identity as long lasting, bullet-proof motor-vehicles.

EV's will usher in the era of "subscription based" car user-ship. Manufacturers will offer direct "subscriptions" to vehicle usage, at varying pay scales to reflect the trim or model of the car. Imagine paying $500 a month to 'subscribe' to your cybertrucks usage, with the benefit of manufacturer support of the vehicle. Insurance would be "insuring to your level of model subscription, perhaps by a class-basis or something like that. Plates and license would remain for the state to get its cut.

Gone will be the days of "motoring", gone is the "driver" and most of all gone is the implicit, binary freedom of being the master of ones destiny at every second of every journey, no matter how mundane or routine. Driving will be on rails, and funneling to "services" "commerce" and "preferred" destinations will become the norm rather than the exception.

The EV was designed for the globalist ideal world:
-a "self-driving " car will be pre-programmed by both the end user and the manufacturer with a "destinations list" that would supplant the "contacts" list to extend the phone metaphor.
-occupant gets in and selects their 'destination' from a 'destinations-list' on the console screen.
-the 'destinations-list' could be updated via wi-fi/network/pushed patches that have regional/local and manufacturer indexes, as well as the occupants personal entries, and then finally, a "destination entry" for going to unique addresses.
-the vehicle would then convey them directly to the destination via programmed or cpu guided routs.

if any of that sounds good to you:
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

 

Hybrid has an engine, just batteries with it.

4th gen hybrid will be the only thing to pull me out of the current 3rd gen I have. Well, that and the Tundra hybrid if/when it comes. I'd be fine with that, but the MPG gain has to make sense. The rav4 really benefited from the hybrid drivetrain, my wife's camry not so much - the up front cost vs. the cost in gas difference made it not much worth it. But they did a lot of good with the hybrid rav4, hopefully they'll do similar to the Tacoma/Tundra. I'd definitely consider the Tundra when the time comes if it's hybrid and is cost effective and is actually getting good MPG out of it.

Not sold on electric, but I am sold on hybrid.

 

Ya, I guess I meant my last ICE only vehicle.