New TRD PRO lift kit option?

oh my god. this place is unbelievable. Springs dont cause lift. full stop. THE SHOCK SHAFT LENGTH IS A FINITE VALUE. all a taller spring is doing is pre-loading the suspension. the end.
all you are doing is JACKING UP the shaft travel either up or down with springs that are taller than OEM or block-spacers. I just dont understand how you are struggling with this.

To PROPERLY "LIFT" you would need to scale up the shock shaft length, shock body length, and all the appropriate geometric changes that accompany such a change. The ONLY thing spacers and springs do is play with ride-height at the expense of suspension travel via shaft consumption.

 

Raising ride height = lifting the vehicle. Game over you lose! I win!

 

Actually tell you what, "lift" your truck your way and show me the results LOL. Cant wait to see how the mechanicals of your truck digest your bullshit lol.

my "ride-height" lift everybody.

 

I already lifted my truck. Bilstein 6112. The coil and the shock are both longer than stock.

 

If I ever lift my pro I'll get adjustable coilovers and new leaf springs the same as I've done on my 1st gen. I've wheeled the crap out of that thing and never had any problem with suspension components wearing prematurely. I can't say the same for people I know who went with spacer lifts and don't even come close to pushing theirs as hard as I have. Some of then don't even go off road. They're a great way to destroy your entire front end.

The only difference will be that I'll keep the pro suspension and put it back if I decide to trade it.

 

I'm going to have to study this when I am sober...

 

.......then..... how could you possibly believe what you were saying before...? "springs cause lift" it makes no sense to me... unless is "trolling"..?

 

Because taller and/or stiffer springs do raise ride height. Overall travel has not increased. But usable downtravel has increased.

Do you think Eibach would go out of their way to design a spring for the pro 4runner and pro tacoma for no reason? No, they are making a product that WILL increase ride height so the Tacoma has MORE ground clearance.

 

Yes they would.. They data-mine places like this, and literally focus-grouped an ignorant consumer set who believe springs cause lift and then sell them blocks and extended springs with confusing product descriptions above the "buy" button.
Youre not "lifting" your suspension, youre over-extending it. Its not worth it to argue this with you anymore, its stubborness for the sake of being obstinate online.

Its as black and white as it gets: you either extended your Shock shaft, body and geometry or you didnt. Thats "lift" (a full coil-over kit)

If you didnt then all you are doing is over-extending something in a way it was NEVER made to do. If you want to call that "lift" fine. Its just beyond me how 285 KO2's could be worth the massive amounts of damage this shit ends up causing on trucks that have greatly increased in complexity and engineering tolerances over the past few years. It turns out a few millimeters, inches and pounds have a bigger effect than people care to accept.

 

First of all, nothing has changed in the last 16 years regarding the suspension design and geometry of this truck (Tacoma). Except for taller springs, how funny is that.

Riddle me this. Why are my bilstein 6112 ride height adjustable? By your logic, raising the circlip position would overextend the shock.

Installing taller/stiffer springs does not mean you are overextending the shock. It simply puts your ride height higher on shocks available travel.

 

Wait are we not supposed to do that?

 

Funny story, in high school there was girl that had a cherry VW convertible. One of her friends told her if she hit a curb at high speed it would just go right over it.... well she tried and didnt have any wheels when she reached the other side..

 

The Bilstien is adjustable within the spec of its engineered limits. Even more, half of those adjustments make the suspension perform WORSE or as it was NOT designed per the manufacturers warning accompanying those lift settings. And yes, maxing the clip out over extends the shock and it objectively performs worse, there is zero argument you can make here. On top of that, maxing out the 6112 will put IMMENSE stress on the CV, the drive-line, the control arms and a host of other components on the truck.

Its not "simply putting you ride height higher on the shocks travel". Its ELMINATING your shocks ability to properly travel through the stroke, as it was designed. full stop. But in your mind this is a "good thing" because you get "increased down travel" LOL.

 

When you say "full stop" you sound ridiculous... Just saying

 

If springs caused lift, why dont they just offer 14", 15" and 16" spring and shock kits? sure would simplify this whole "adjustable suspension" nonsense thats just so darn confusing. I mean why even bother with all that complexity when you could just have a little drop down:
"How much lift do you want!?"
-1"
-2"
-3"
and poof you just get the longer spring so you "simply put your ride height higher". So simple. duh! Why doesnt Eibach or Bilstein just offer that?

if you wanted the perception of "lift" from a spring, all you have to do is increase spring RATE. (ex. go from a 600lb spring to a ~700lb). You wont get a goddamn bit of droop, settling or sag then. It will feel like your suspension is filled with cement, and every shock the truck takes will be distributed to every other drive-line component on the truck, but you will hold whatever ride-height you pre-loaded the suspension to, sure as shit.

All a longer spring than was designed for a given shock body is doing is pre-loading the suspension at the appearance of less clicks. Shock shaft is consumed by the extension of eye to eye length, at the expense of performance (because stroke geometry negatively is altered).

 

Imagine a dog trying to understand the shape of the square root symbol.

 

More height is a good thing for going over obstacles off road. Maxing out the clip setting on a bilstein does not over extend the shock. As you said, it was engineered to perform at all clip settings.

Go through a large dip in the road on a stock truck = bottom out.

Go through that same dip on a lifted truck = not bottoming out as easily.

 

I explicitly said its NOT engineered to operate at that setting. Infact, it comes with a manufacturers warning about those clip settings. I literally said it was NOT DESIGNED to operate at roughly half of those clip settings.

its probably the most obvious thing in the world that an OEM truck will handle "off-roading" worse than a truck on a full coil-over kit, so im not sure the point you are making there.

Its how you achieve that additional height for going over obstacles that makes all the difference in the world.
-Imagine a giant 10ft long slinky jammed into the strut perches of a suspension.
-At the slinky's spring RATE, it will simply bind up and be smashed flat within the strut.
-It could be 100ft long for all it mattered but youre getting no "support" or "lift", simply a smashed, bound spring.
-Only spring RATE effects the ability of shock to suspend the weight of the truck at the pre-loaded right height setting.
Paired with correct geometry and valving, a properly rated spring can both suspend/sustain weight at a given ride height, while simultaneously maintaining the full range of up&down travel through the stroke. Changing either RATE or spring length outside of the engineered intent only hinders the suspension performance, and a dishonest marketer can capitalize on the consumers lack of knowledge to pass this off as a 'good thing'.

 

Ok guy. I'm guessing you're some aero space engineer thinks he knows everything about everything.

Here are install instructions attached for the 5100 for 3rd gen Tacomas. Aside from a couple models, where on here does it state you cannot max out the clip position?

#5 is the highest position and would be maxed out. For my truck, dclb 4x4 #5 position is totally 100% acceptable per Bilstein. Why would they make a shock with 5 clip positions, if you cannot use all of them?

 

So just out of curiosity is this kit better/worse than the Revtek 427ap kit?