Found this interesting 2024-2025 for 4th gen

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Why would the latter even be the case lol? Heck no! I've explained what it will be. All new after 19 years.

A whole lot words? LOL, not even going to touch this one my man.

They only know how to copy and paste from other websites, plus misquote like no man's business. Plus, mix up model years vs calendar years of launch. I'll leave them to destroy their own credibility.

I don't really think that even I have to dignify that with a direct response...I don't think it's that serious.

First generation was a 1995.5 model and had a short 1995 MY. It ran just under 10 years, at 9 1/2 years from March 1995 to Oct 2004.

Last major update was October of 2000, minor updates in late '02 (as Gen 2 finishing touches...), end of production in summer 2004.

Second generation ran exactly 10 years, 10.5 months to the day. Essentially 11 years from Oct 2004 to Sep 2015. Refresh in October 2008 (09), minor change/factory shift in 2010 (11), heavy facelift in August 2011 (12), and end of production summer 2015. I mentioned this a year ago in detail.

The 3rd generation vehicle took less time to develop, from 2011 to 2015 and was solely engineered in Michigan, because USA didn't require much input from Japan on a heavy redo of 2012-15 truck.

Generation 4 was planned for MY 2023. Slipped a little bit, thanks to Tundra and another lead vehicle program delays. I've mentioned this already BTW.

My commentary is QANONish or the one you're replying to?

This was a heavy revision of the previous iteration. The 2005 was revolutionary, but lasted longer because of market dominance and segment uncertainty.

End of production for Gen 3 was supposed to be June 30, 2022. That was an early EOP date listed, slipping by several weeks over recent years into late summer. Once some aspects of TNGA for trucks fell behind, everything else got affected too.

If a new Tundra is no longer a 2021 model in October 2020 and the plan was to space them out by 2 calendar years, you must act accordingly and delay Tacoma. A 7 year lifecycle of a heavy redo was favored. It became a little bit longer, because of the above. 4Runner and Sequoia will precede it.

As for Hilux, don't count on it yet. It was mentioned, but cannot be determined 4 years out. Guaranteed launch dates for some 2023 models are not set, let alone anything 2024.

Hilux and Tacoma unifying, would just be back to basics. 1994 "Pickup" was very much the Hilux. 1998 Hilux borrowed a lot from the 1995.5 Tacoma and ran just 7 years, not 10 years.

Difference is, applying the best of both to make a vehicle viable for each respective market. Does that work?

Will it ruin the Tacoma's appeal to its main customer base or compromise the Hilux's capabilities? It will be well managed, but knowing about the next Hilux from a USA perspective is limited. All I know is the Hilux follows the 2020 Tacoma with its own facelift this year. After that, all resources are 90% next gen.

Yes, which is why a shorter cycle was targeted for this generation, ending originally in 2022. That slipped behind.

Marketing department never officially recognized the 2014 Tundra as the 3rd generation vehicle, which they should've. It pretty much is that, when at Ford, the F-150 runs 2 generations on the same architecture and cab. 2021 F150 is new, but not all-new. Just like 2016 Tacoma and 2014 Tundra.

F150 was sold with virtually the same cab from September 2003 to December 2014. 11 years. This will repeat itself with aluminum T3, running from December 2014 to 2026, up to 2030 for larger trucks/SUVs.

Toyota did a disservice not officially splitting the 2007-13 models from 2014-2021 MYs (refresh for 2018) as separate generations.

Full size Toyota pickups date back to 1992 with T100, replaced with Tundra in 1999, and a much bigger truck in 2006-07, then heavy redo in 2013 (14) and now ground up redesign in December 2021.

 

Not really sure why you quoted me. You just said basically the same thing as me.

My point was that the first two generations ran about 10 years each, so it would make sense for the third gen to run about 10 years.

 

Funny, but what the OP posted wasn't an article by a journalist, but by me. I greatly respect the Toyota Motor Company and I wish for them to do well, innovate and bring modern, well engineered to consumers.

It bothered me to see Toyota fall behind in some respects, which is fine in the face of weak/passable competition, but not 2 years from now. A few months have passed and things are much brighter.

At the time of writing that post there last year, I was cynical over the slight uncertainty and lack of confidence over the Tundra and Land Cruiser delays spilling over to the rest of the lineup.

I'm sure you don't even know that the next Sienna minivan has been delayed over 6 months bit-by-bit, not including the previous plans for a 2018 model year redesign that were tempered by TNGA-K rollout.

Sienna isn't relevant to this forum, but like the Tundra, it is an example of latter stage delays causing hiccups. I know this all from experience.

Wasn't trying to be pedantic per se, but I was trying to state, previous generations aren't an exact measure to go off of this time around.

Did you know that per old internal Toyota Motor Sales USA documentation from early 1996, it listed the Tacoma for redesign in Q4 2001/early 2002? As well as T100 replacement in Q3 1998? All that changed anyway. Tundra ran late, Tacoma even much later.

Hardly relevant today, but what I did learn is eventually, they vetoed the earlier plans in 1997 and focused on developing a heavy update for 2001 w/Double Cab. No more 2002 redesign.

Why? Toyota HQ didn't want to commit resources to a new Tacoma that early, since the Hilux was barely being redesigned in late 1997 and warranted a long cycle of 6-7 years for good ROI.

Tacoma being already successful, it was reasoned that both the Hilux and Tacoma be redesigned in 2004. The 9.5 year lifecycle was a thing of consequence, not always intended.

By 1999, 4 years into the Tacoma and 2 years into the Hilux, '01 models almost done, early planning of Gen 2 Tacoma began in Japan. It was all about aligning timing with the next Hilux redesign, not so much a need to run 10 years. Previous generations were shorter in the 80s and 90s, save for Hilux running an additional 2 years through 1997.

The 2nd gen Tacoma was a massive expense and ended up running 11 years, as again a consequence of market conditions and replaced by a highly evolutionary product in 2015. Wasn't supposed to run that long.

This time around, to shift to TNGA ASAP, it will not be a full 10 years. When this truck is redesigned, it would have been an 8 to 8 1/2 year run. Not a full 10 years or 11 years. It's coming faster than you all expected.

Now, I can't predict if anything changes down the road in regards to delays, that's just the industry right there. Anyone who doubts it will be ready for 2024 has the right to wait and see. But as of the present in February 2020? 2024 is when.

Now, my posts are very long winded to cram as much into one submission, versus answer questions back & forth. Sorry about TL;DR.

 

I think you are right on the money. Toyota will do minor updates between now and then in an effort to keep the Tacoma fresh. Hell, they may even stamp Pro bedsides like the Tundra Pro

I predict a lot of simplification on the 4th generation TNGA platform to increase assembly line efficiencies and a hybrid option.

 

You've obviously researched and thought about this a lot more than me! I was just curious.

I think it interesting that the 4runner has gone so long unchanged. Not that I mind. I love mine!

It's going to be interesting to see what Toyota actually releases over the next few years versus what people on the internet are speculating.

 

It will be interesting how all of TNGA going forward is managed. CEO Akio Toyoda wants more passionate products, but the people under him in Japan and jealous Japanese exec board colleagues make that difficult (USA staff are nicer to him). They look at him as a playboy ex-lawyer heir, that doesn't deserve the Toyota crown.

Not to mention, he's not much of a truck guy. He's all about sports cars and easy to engineer bread & butter (Corolla, Camry, CUVs). Tundra thankfully is getting any attention.

Hybrid will be applied to all vehicles per redesign in late 2021, 2022, and in 2023.

What I am concerned about, I must mention to you, is the change in factories from TMMTX to TMMGT in Guanajuato could be for worse in terms of vehicle configurations or options being reduced, as already seen with TMMBC in Tijuana, Baja.

Some of you might be 4Runner owners or own 3rd generation 4Runners presently as toys or once did in your lifetime.

In the fall of 2000 Toyota randomly did away with the manual transmission in the 2001 4Runner (N180), which was an additional minor refresh following '99s.

At that point in 2000, the '03 4Runner (N210) had received major approval of project direction and styling freeze at Japan HQ. (seen below) They knew they were dropping manual for 2003 and chose to phase in that decision in anticipation. The preceding facelift in 1998 for 1999 4Runners had retained the option 4AT and std. 5MT through 2000 (compare difference between 1999 4R & 2001+ 4R example.)

I haven't paid much attention to logistics for the new Guanajuato factory, but I suggest manual Tacoma owners figure out if Toyota is building manuals at that factory for USA and Canada yet. If not, you know right there if it will be discontinued for MY 2022.



TMMTX has the proper tooling to assemble manual Tacomas, as did NUMMI did for 2005 to 2010 models. TMMBC per 3T... VINs doesn't with 99% of cases.

2022 will be like the 2014 Tacoma and 2003 Tacoma. Kind of like 1999-2000 4Runner vs 2001-02 4Runner above.

Last round of visible changes, before next gen. Not likely a refresh, but change in equipment and options/configs. Hopefully the new factory doesn't oversimplify configurations, by instead focusing more on shifting preparation for TNGA Taco.

As someone that lost out on a sweet little green 2020TRD Pro 6MT (snapped up by young doctor) near a Texas vacation residence of mine (as a toy), I do have reservations. Hilux will not drop the option I imagine, but will Mexico-only production force that decision for Tacoma? It's being considered (hearsay), but hopefully not.

I'll admit I've procrastinated on tracking down a TRD Pro like that and securing it, but I would hope time isn't running out. I've been busy unfortunately.

I want to share what I know with Tacoma owners, that are often left in the dark, as well as other Toyota customers.

Indeed on that last line, but luckily for you, you'll see the next 4Runner in less than 2 years and drive it in less than 3.

A Calty clay modeler (friend) finally got back to me today and mentioned that the midsize clay he was working on, described to me in January (privately), was a competing Calty proposal for the next generation 4Runner and this exact buck began late last year.

He claims that his work is done and a design approval has been made for the next 4Runner. It's set basically. I asked him if Calty studios won, he refused to answer that part. It was between various inhouse Toyota studios including Aichi HQ and Calty in USA.

I look forward to seeing what was the final result, apparently following some 2-3 years of design work. Makes sense, since there was no new 4Runner planned even 5 years ago.

 

I would like to see that...prefer that much more than the trd pro emblem they have on the door. Just like the simplicity of it and a much cleaner look.

 

I agree, it would look great on a Tacoma.

 

With 2019 and 2020 Tacomas I'm set for quite a spell, but was considering a Tundra for 2023. If the only option at that time will be some kind of hybrid, only, then my 2005 will simply have to soldier on.

 

If there's one thing the Pro is short of, it's Pro badging.

 

Wonder how much that fender/Pro mod would cost if they actually took a page out of the Tundra playbook and implemented that on the Taco. Personally my number one wish list for my Taco from the Tundra is the one piece power rear window.
MESO's next mod? I think that maybe his most expensive mod yet...

 

So much tldr

 

I'm pretty happy with my 2013. It does truck stuff pretty good and I see no problems going to 2025 with it.

 

I didn’t need to buy my Tacoma but wanted one without too much computerized crap so when I read production would all be moved to Mexico I grabbed a Texas built truck while I could. Fortunately the lane keep assist can be turned off and stays off.

 

Just a bump, thread resurection. We will see with COVID now torpedoing the global economy, but leaked info from dealer conference. As we suspected, 2024 for the 4th gen Tacoma and bye bye V8 in the Tundra

 

The 4th gen will be about the size of the out going Tundra or something stupid, because America. Not only do we get fat our vehicles get fat and overweight too

 

Damned engineers AND marketing spodes!

 

Not bad. This could mean a possibility for a 3rd truck from Toyota lol