1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

HP Tuners for 2005-2015

Discussion in 'Performance and Tuning' started by Hacktacular, Mar 24, 2019.

  1. Mar 6, 2020 at 8:22 AM
    #5881
    JustDSM

    JustDSM Oderint Dum Metuant

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2015
    Member:
    #146525
    Messages:
    3,220
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Justin
    Ogden, UT
    Vehicle:
    2023 Ford Raptor
    Correct. It's not a "Add 2 degrees of timing here" and it's done type of deal.

    Every truck (and fuel) is a little different, so there's not a one size fits all tune adjustment for the thermostat (or cam gears for that matter).
     
    Norton likes this.
  2. Mar 6, 2020 at 8:25 AM
    #5882
    OVTune

    OVTune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Member:
    #214557
    Messages:
    8,112
    OVTune
    Curious why you guys are using lower T-stats.
    Every table in the ECU is setup to work best when coolant temp is OEM spec.

    Think of it this way. For every table you do have related to coolant, there are probably 5+ more tables, thresholds, and values you don't have related to coolant that expect the temp to be within certain ranges.
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2020
    05Taco4x4 and garciav like this.
  3. Mar 6, 2020 at 9:27 AM
    #5883
    nd4spdbh

    nd4spdbh Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2013
    Member:
    #114055
    Messages:
    14,532
    Gender:
    Male
    SoCal
    Vehicle:
    13 DCSB TRD OR v6 Auto

    that was always my thought..... for a race application maybe.... but in a daily driven setup where you want to prevent sludge build up... probably not optimal.
     
  4. Mar 6, 2020 at 9:42 AM
    #5884
    OVTune

    OVTune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Member:
    #214557
    Messages:
    8,112
    OVTune
    none of the stock calibration is setup for a lower T-stat.
    I'm pretty sure some of the torque converter and transmission settings require certain engine temps

    The lower the engine temp is from spec the less efficient it is running.

    Changing the base temp of the engine also alters all mechanical components, pistons, ring expansion, etc.

    yall do some weird and unnecessary stuff imo. If you think you're gaining power from a lower t-stat, put it on the dyno and prove it otherwise it's rubbish (in my opinion).
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2020
    Philby likes this.
  5. Mar 6, 2020 at 9:46 AM
    #5885
    nd4spdbh

    nd4spdbh Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2013
    Member:
    #114055
    Messages:
    14,532
    Gender:
    Male
    SoCal
    Vehicle:
    13 DCSB TRD OR v6 Auto

    Yup. at the very least torque converter lockup will never occur unless you are above 140* ETC.
     
  6. Mar 6, 2020 at 9:47 AM
    #5886
    OVTune

    OVTune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Member:
    #214557
    Messages:
    8,112
    OVTune

    I don't want to want to throw a wrench in here...But you do know that seeing boost increase doesn't mean more power right?
    When you start making more power you see boost drop, not increase.

    read this, might be helpful
    https://www.onallcylinders.com/2017...e-engine-boost-doesnt-always-mean-more-power/
     
  7. Mar 6, 2020 at 10:46 AM
    #5887
    zippsub9

    zippsub9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2014
    Member:
    #141634
    Messages:
    4,544
    Gender:
    Male
    Halfmoon, NY
    Vehicle:
    14 DCLB
    Shit bolted onto other shit, and junk.
    thought process had nothing to do with power. Trying to lean forward to hot summers on stagnant trails for me.
     
  8. Mar 6, 2020 at 10:48 AM
    #5888
    OVTune

    OVTune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Member:
    #214557
    Messages:
    8,112
    OVTune
    The posts after that post talk about how psi = x amount of added power.
    If all things remain the same and you're tuning a supercharger and you're seeing boost increase, power is going down.
     
    Au1gr and zippsub9[QUOTED] like this.
  9. Mar 6, 2020 at 10:50 AM
    #5889
    zippsub9

    zippsub9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2014
    Member:
    #141634
    Messages:
    4,544
    Gender:
    Male
    Halfmoon, NY
    Vehicle:
    14 DCLB
    Shit bolted onto other shit, and junk.
    I understand. Wish we had volumetric efficiency gauges.
     
  10. Mar 6, 2020 at 10:54 AM
    #5890
    OVTune

    OVTune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Member:
    #214557
    Messages:
    8,112
    OVTune
    This is where a dyno helps, and basic understanding of engine tuning.
    You don't need a volumetric efficiency gauge. Only a simple understanding of what boost is, to understand that more psi on a static system means that the engine is reducing it's intake consumption.

    Think about it. it's all math. Here is a simple way to think about it.
    you have a supercharge that can flow "1000" at 6000 RPM
    you have an engine that can consume "500" at 6000 rpm.
    500 left over in the intake manifold is going to create "x pressure"
    now lets say that engine now consumes "700"
    there is only "300" left, so less air in the manifold, so there is less pressure
    now lets say the engine only consumes "300"
    you now have "700" in the intake manifold. Increasing pressure.

    What happens if the Engine consumes 1000?
    You have no pressure, and are consuming 100% of what the supercharger is making, and you're making a lot of power.

    obviously these numbers aren't based in reality, it's just a concept to understand what boost actually is.

    Boost is what the engine is NOT getting. If boost drops the engine is getting more
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2020
    Murphinator likes this.
  11. Mar 6, 2020 at 10:54 AM
    #5891
    12TRDTacoma

    12TRDTacoma Powered by Ford, GM, VW, and Mercedes

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2012
    Member:
    #85133
    Messages:
    16,670
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rob
    Concordia
    Vehicle:
    12 TRD Sport DCLB 4x4 Supercharged
    Boosted
    Yes but things did not remain the same. You do realize I was talking about installing cam gears, getting retuned and then seeing more boost after, not just getting tuned and gaining more boost though right?
     
  12. Mar 6, 2020 at 10:56 AM
    #5892
    OVTune

    OVTune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Member:
    #214557
    Messages:
    8,112
    OVTune
    That's why I posted an article specifically related to cam gears and boost.
     
  13. Mar 6, 2020 at 10:58 AM
    #5893
    12TRDTacoma

    12TRDTacoma Powered by Ford, GM, VW, and Mercedes

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2012
    Member:
    #85133
    Messages:
    16,670
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rob
    Concordia
    Vehicle:
    12 TRD Sport DCLB 4x4 Supercharged
    Boosted
    Ahh, okay. Just wanted to make sure. I am just working on other things right now so I haven't had a chance to click the link yet.
     
  14. Mar 6, 2020 at 11:15 AM
    #5894
    zippsub9

    zippsub9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2014
    Member:
    #141634
    Messages:
    4,544
    Gender:
    Male
    Halfmoon, NY
    Vehicle:
    14 DCLB
    Shit bolted onto other shit, and junk.
    I understand but very few have access to a dyno or pay to measure after every mod. Point taken, just trying to poor man measure increased power or efficiency without a dyno.
     
    mightytacoman likes this.
  15. Mar 6, 2020 at 11:27 AM
    #5895
    OVTune

    OVTune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Member:
    #214557
    Messages:
    8,112
    OVTune
    No worries I understand that. There were years when I was tuning and a dyno was a dream.

    I'm just trying to give some general concepts to consider. Not trying to tell you guys what to do or how to tune.
    There is lots of good documentation online
    https://dsportmag.com/the-tech/forced-induction-explained/


    ~ just wanted to say lol if you see big boost drops that's not gaining power that's belt slip lol
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2020
  16. Mar 6, 2020 at 2:07 PM
    #5896
    mightytacoman

    mightytacoman Mighty-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2013
    Member:
    #101270
    Messages:
    2,408
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Kel
    Vehicle:
    4.5L 1grfe
    Brian Crower stroker kit, Carrillo pistons moly/ceramic coated, BC sportsman rods, arp s2000 head bolts, Darton M.I.D sleeves, Kelford race cams, Magnusson supercharger, hp tuner tuned, 650cc flow matched fuel injectors, CSF radiator, Walbro 255 fuel pump. pulleyboys quick change pulley with 2.3", fpr mod, NST crank, water and alternator pullies, 160° mishimoto thermostat. Puma On-board air, Radflo CDC ext coilovers with 14" 700# springs, extended length rear Radflo shocks with CDC, Dakar leak pack, Brute Force Fab front bumper galvanized and powder coated, DTRL mod, yellow fogs, fog anytime mod, relocated rear differential breather, synthetic fluids, custom airbox, tundra sized intake. 76mm throttle body, secondary air filter removed, Airflow snorkel, 4x innovation sliders powder coated, URD equal length headers, DT y-pipe, Aero-Turbine 2525xl exhaust dumped over axle, seat belt chime disabled, Warn 8000i winch, 1- 20" slim light bar in grill, 42" curved roof light both with custom brackets. Mesh grill, Brute Force Fab rear bumper with extra reverse lights, u bolt flip kit, SS extended brake lines, hockey puck bump stop extension, AT shackle flip kit, Light Racing UCA's, 4crawler 1.5" bodylift. custom built front and mid skid plates, re-geared to 4.56s, windows tinted 25%, Sony stereo, 8" skar sub-woofer, 1000 watt mono amp, retrofit headlights with legal demon eye, Kryptek Marathon seat covers. North Star agm 27f battery, Helo 791 rims, 315/75/r16 Mt/r ARB front air locker
    Just so it doesn't get lost in the fast paced shuffle here. Really curious to the light you can shed on this @OVTune and the other tables that exist
     
  17. Mar 6, 2020 at 2:40 PM
    #5897
    OVTune

    OVTune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Member:
    #214557
    Messages:
    8,112
    OVTune
    What ECU ID?
    I can disassem the coolant ram and map out every possible place it's called pretty quick,
    And I can find the CL/ OL ram flag in 5 mins,


    But I have a hunch there is probably 50+ possible scenarios, like sensor failures, etc
     
  18. Mar 6, 2020 at 2:45 PM
    #5898
    mightytacoman

    mightytacoman Mighty-known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2013
    Member:
    #101270
    Messages:
    2,408
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Kel
    Vehicle:
    4.5L 1grfe
    Brian Crower stroker kit, Carrillo pistons moly/ceramic coated, BC sportsman rods, arp s2000 head bolts, Darton M.I.D sleeves, Kelford race cams, Magnusson supercharger, hp tuner tuned, 650cc flow matched fuel injectors, CSF radiator, Walbro 255 fuel pump. pulleyboys quick change pulley with 2.3", fpr mod, NST crank, water and alternator pullies, 160° mishimoto thermostat. Puma On-board air, Radflo CDC ext coilovers with 14" 700# springs, extended length rear Radflo shocks with CDC, Dakar leak pack, Brute Force Fab front bumper galvanized and powder coated, DTRL mod, yellow fogs, fog anytime mod, relocated rear differential breather, synthetic fluids, custom airbox, tundra sized intake. 76mm throttle body, secondary air filter removed, Airflow snorkel, 4x innovation sliders powder coated, URD equal length headers, DT y-pipe, Aero-Turbine 2525xl exhaust dumped over axle, seat belt chime disabled, Warn 8000i winch, 1- 20" slim light bar in grill, 42" curved roof light both with custom brackets. Mesh grill, Brute Force Fab rear bumper with extra reverse lights, u bolt flip kit, SS extended brake lines, hockey puck bump stop extension, AT shackle flip kit, Light Racing UCA's, 4crawler 1.5" bodylift. custom built front and mid skid plates, re-geared to 4.56s, windows tinted 25%, Sony stereo, 8" skar sub-woofer, 1000 watt mono amp, retrofit headlights with legal demon eye, Kryptek Marathon seat covers. North Star agm 27f battery, Helo 791 rims, 315/75/r16 Mt/r ARB front air locker
    cal ID 3ywg3200
    ecm number 89661-04d40
     
  19. Mar 6, 2020 at 2:48 PM
    #5899
    OVTune

    OVTune Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2017
    Member:
    #214557
    Messages:
    8,112
    OVTune
    3YWG32

    Kk
     
    mightytacoman[QUOTED] likes this.
  20. Mar 6, 2020 at 3:20 PM
    #5900
    TRON

    TRON Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2009
    Member:
    #14317
    Messages:
    1,491
    Vehicle:
    All Wheel Drive X-runner
    TRD Blower, 2.3 Pulley, NST OverDrive Pulley Kit, B&M Shifter, TR Lowering Kit, Spec Clutch, Xrunner Body Kit
    Just to be clear. First I’m glad you brought this up. Cause quite frankly I was shocked no body chimed in. And I agree at a certain point PSI does not mean extra power it’s just more heat build up. So I should have been more specific. My point was most APRx1 with the cam gears were getting close to 30 rwhp but that was with a CAI and just as important a free flowing custom exhaust starting with headers and larger diameter ypipe for extraction. But never had a boost increase from the cam gear swap.

    With that said, having a more free flowing exhaust would help the CAI in that the boost would go down 1 or 2 psi yet the MAF would go up and thus create more power.
     

Products Discussed in

To Top