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a better crimper for non-insulated terminals?

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by super_white, Mar 29, 2020.

  1. Mar 29, 2020 at 4:15 AM
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    I have an OLS relay/fuse box and I started to install the wires but the crimper I have isn't strong enough. It just folds the tabs over instead of a proper crimp. The metal used for the terminals of the OLS is thicker and you can't get a good crimp.

    This is the crimper I have:
    $29 Delphi Packard Five-cavity Wide-range Crimping Tool 22-12 AWG / 24-14 AWG
    https://www.amazon.com/Delphi-Packa...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=4MSKKASY55KS8V8F7GTA

    I've seen this on Amazon and I wonder if it would be better:
    Klein Tools Ratcheting Crimper Kit W/ Dies
    https://www.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=MAG4X15PDCM88ESFY8SA
     
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  2. Mar 29, 2020 at 4:31 AM
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    What kind of connectors are you using, un-insulated open barrel?
     
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    Klein is really good. I’ve used a lot of there tools while doing electrical and it’s precise finish.
     
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    I bought this crimping tool just about two weeks ago. The crimper I already had was not going to work for the tiny terminals I needed to crimp.
    So far this one has worked well. Seems to be pretty well made, and certainly comes with a lot of useful extras.
    $30 Hilitchi 4 Pcs Wire Crimping Tool Kit Terminal Ratchet Plier with 5 Interchangeable Dies, Wire Cutter/Stripper, Screwdriver, Terminal Removal Tool Key for Insulated Non-insulated Terminals or Ferrules
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07R2MFCQ...9Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
     
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    This. Using the right crimper for the terminal makes a huge difference.
     
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    Looks like an uninsulated faston

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASTON_terminal


    I would probably try this guy:
    $18 iCrimp Non Insulated Open Barrel Terminal Crimp Tool - Wire Crimper for Molex, Delphi, AMP/Tyco, Harley, PC/Computer, Automotive 24-14 AWG
    https://www.amazon.com/IWISS-Harnes...atcheting+f+crimp+-coax&qid=1585488437&sr=8-8


    That Klein looks like it might work too, but Amazon is loading the wrong description for me sooo
     
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    That's very similar to the crimper I have now. I don't think it's the style of crimper but the thickness of the material the terminal is made of.
     
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    That could be. They tend to be really sensitive to small differences. Something that ratchets might help for sure.
     
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    You need one with off sets on the dies. Then it crimps the terminal over wire and terminal over insulated wire. The ratchet style is the best and doesn't over/under crimp. Plus removable dies make it easy to change over to other crimp styles.
    DSC_0256.jpg DSC_0255.jpg
     
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    The middle die for the klein tool you linked should work for those connectors. The crimper you have is for metri-pack and weather-pack terminals which use cable seals.
     
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    My Klein VDV200-010 crimp tool arrived today. I had to change the "tension knob" to the lightest setting because where it was I couldn't get the tool open. Yes, I know about the small lever.
    I crimped one terminal for a fuse and the crimp came out good but it's crimping the terminal too much. I'd have to crimp and count the clicks so I don't over do it.

    I'd like to practice but the fuse block did not come with extra terminals :(
    Like I said before, it's like the metal the terminal is made from is too thick.

    Maybe I could try crimping a terminal in the next slot. 18ga. in the 16-14 slot?
     
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  13. Apr 3, 2020 at 5:05 PM
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    Could the terminals be intended for soldering?
     
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  14. Apr 3, 2020 at 5:06 PM
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    Yes, but after you crimp them. They won't fit in the housing otherwise.
     
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    Channellock 909 9.5-Inch Wire Crimping Tool | Electrician's Terminal Crimp Pliers with Cutter are Designed for Insulated and Non-Insulated Connections | Forged from High Carbon Steel | Laser Heat-Treated Edges Last Longer | Made in the USA
    $31 Channellock 909 9.5" Wire Crimping Tool | Electrician's Terminal Crimp Pliers with Cutter are Designed for Insulated and Non-Insulated Connections
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00004SBDI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_VbLcFbPF0BMP3

    When i use to work at a shop installing TVs and alarms in cars i used these, crimps really well and very durable... sometimes i used them to crimp 4ga wire terminals for grounding amp wires
     
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