Norcal Spotted and BS Thread

I use to be live in south sac.

STOCKTON BLVD has both. Might even be able get two birds with one ho.

 

Personally the media wins big selling fear and posting body counts on the news. Imagine if body counts were posted nightly for the flu, or car accidents, or stepping out of showers? We’d all be smelly hermit germaphobes.

And honestly I’m amazed how many people have freely given up their rights and lives for what we are being told keeps others safe? If we tested everyone then I think we’d see that the severity of this virus isn’t as severe as we are being lead to believe. Iceland has tested 5% of their population and around 40% are positive without symptoms or illness, which means it’s more common than we understand and less deadly.

I’ve been to the desert twice in the past month, life is normal out there. Living has always been a risky endeavor.

 

Agree completely. I've mentioned it to several folks here, and other people I know personally. My wife was terribly ill in January. Nearly two weeks, and three of those days in the middle of it, she was down hard. Fever, headaches, overall crappy feeling. She holed up in the guest room, and barely came out except to get water, and got to the bathroom. I was sick a week later, but not nearly as bad. In fact, I was over it in a week. Might have been something else. Who knows. Look forward to the antibody test.

 

Does any of this mean we shouldn't be cautious? Of course not, but why is this virus getting so much more press than anything in recent memory? I have my guesses, but we'll leave that for another time.

 

I have had a few beers and have to interject here... PLEASE consider the fact that this statement has 0 relevance to all of the people that actually have to deal with the situation. Last thing we need is people downplaying it, so stop.

 

No one is downplaying the relevance to others. But look at the stats. Every 17 seconds someone dies in the US. It happens. It sucks, but it happens.

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Some amusement on my part at your participation in this topic given your user name. Not criticizing, just made me laugh a little bit. Gallows humor.

 

Disagreed

Agreed. And many of those deaths are preventable.

 

Don I can honestly say I know a guy.

 

I don't know. I interpret that as 40% of people are vectors and it is not deadly to them, but they could spread to others who are susceptible and it is deadly to, compounding the issue every transmission. The fact that 40% had it and were fine is scary as shit IF those 40% are out being vectors to people, places, and things where it could spread eventually to people that are susceptible and could possibly die if infected. This is just my opinion, but my rights to go outside to do non-essential things doesnt even compare to the value of potentially risking others' lives (maybe I'm infected, perfectly fine, but a vector to someone who dies). I'm surprised by your post, maybe I'm wrong but I thought you were a doctor or in the medical field.

I agree about the media cashing in and the statistics on other reasons for mortality, but car accidents, slipping in the shower, or the flue doesnt wipe out 45 people in a single nursing home.

I also dont see anything wrong with going to the desert with your household or others if you can stay apart appropriately. I could damn sure use a desert trip right now.

Crazy times.

 

Sure hope so.

 

We're not downplaying the relevance to others. We're downplaying the stats listed by the CDC. Big difference.

Many deaths are preventable? Sure, but no one gets out alive.

 

I don't think anyone has ill intent here, just trying to share my thoughts that if everyone were to treat this with disregard we would be in a really fucked up situation.

 

Yet, this is what happens every year. Every year I try to avoid ill people. Try to keep hands clean. Avoid people coughing. Why this time this overreaction that could kill this country economically? The stats don't justify this reaction. Between 20,000 to 60,000 people die every year from the seasonal flu. It sucks. But nobody made an issue until now. Why? Predictions have been wildly inaccurate. We'll see. I've doing my part, staying home.

I'm off to bed, gentlemen.
Carry on.

 

Wow, that many? Still dont think the flu knocks out an entire nursing home like this one does, but perhaps I'm wrong. Looking forward to this being in the past.

Edit: perhaps is right, I was wrong.

 

I do work in the medical field and had a surgeon with me on my trip last weekend. He had his kids and my son came as well. For good measure we stayed apart the whole time which is easy to do in the desert, but even he is saying that the hype is unreal. Influenza wipes out nursing homes more often than you realize, but it doesn’t make national news. COVID-19 is the disease from the SARS coronavirus and as someone mentioned the cause of death can be a number of things like pulmonary or sepsis or cytokine release syndrome which is how healthy people die. The last issue is why the Spanish Flu of 1918 was so deadly, the healthier you were the more your immune system went nuts. But that also happens more often than we realize as it’s not usually national news. (I just read up on an article from a doctor down south who has been medically suppressing people’s immune system so they don’t get as sick after triage). So my post was about perspective not callously downplaying people dying, but what’s happening is in step with a deadly flu season. But usually a deadly flu season kills more elderly people which doesn’t make the national news.

5 years from now we will have more data, good lessons learned, hopefully better preparedness, and sadly grief from people lost. Like every year. And we also will be dealing with the after-effects of one of largest transfers of wealth since the Great Depression.

 

Huh. I'm now looking at the regular flu in a serious way. Next time me or my family get it we are staying the fuck home. I dont want to be part of a chain reaction to someone who is susceptible dying because I didnt stay home and spread it to them or to others and eventually to them. Next time i get the flu I'm going full on man flu mode. I usually just toughed it out and went about my business with dayquil.

 

Nighters! We'll share a beer and a whiskey when this shit is over.

The biggest thing for my understanding is the R0 numbers. And in years past, we never took these potential pandemics as seriously and fortunately, they were never as bad as predictions. This time, you might argue they did pad the numbers in the beginning because the R0 numbers were higher. So if the common flu has a R0 of 1, it means you're sick, you infect one other person, and in turn that person infects affects one other person, and so on until it stops. With the 19, R0 is three. Meaning you infect 3 people, and they infect 3 more people and so on. So the spread is much harder and much faster. If you look at the numbers for California and New York and compare the infection rate/mortality rate, California is relatively low-this, I believe, is the result of CA going into SIP quickly while NY was telling people "Hey, No big deal keep on keepin' on" and they did. As a result, they (and others) waited too long to actually slow the numbers down by any significant amount-NY and to some extent, NJ were hit hard enough to overwhelm hospitals. The important thing, again, this is my opinion, is not to keep people from getting the 19 but to keep people from overwhelming hospitals. If I am correct, the SIP orders will be lifted and we will see another uptick of cases-maybe not a lot but there will be an uptick.

The other thing no one seems to be talking about is how long will we be living under some form of SIP and why will we continue when the peak is in just a few days? The peak is only peak resource utilization and peak infection rates. There will still be 14-24 days past the peak when new cases can present (the incubation period) and the end (when no new cases present and no one is sick) isn't until June some time. After that, maybe before, we'll need to figure out how to keep ahead of any new cases that may present themselves because there is no vaccine and no "cure".

I honestly don't know how to express this other than I believe the run of the mill flu, there's at least a fighting chance drugs and maybe a vent will be effective. But the other day, I heard a doctor say that pt's who were ventilated usually did not survive-that was sobering and I don't know how to verify that.

I sure do hope the numbers are lower than predicted. I would definitely not want what's happening in NY to happen here.

 

I don't remember where I heard it. Probably in a movie somewhere. There were two or three tunes I liked of theirs.
He reminds me a little of this guy

https://youtu.be/RswQRII-Vlk

 

416 tested positive as of today.

 

Those are what is referred to as a false equivalency. None of those things are spreading exponentially and we take steps to reduce/prevent it from happening. If we did nothing about covid and just let it run its course, the numbers would be significantly higher. The flu is deadly in about 0.1 percent of cases whereas covid has been deadly in about 3.5 percent of cases. Clearly not the same.

These sorts of memes are causing people to not take this seriously. Is that what we want to encourage?