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Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Ramsey35, Jan 16, 2019.

  1. Feb 23, 2020 at 1:50 PM
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    OVTune

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    We are not releasing our source code to anyone. Especially not just because some random person online says "it's malicious." Here below you can see how a literal blank form that does nothing is now "malicious, trojan, virus, etc"



    So. here you go. Exactly what I was saying.
    These "IT" guys that run scanners and talk about file being malware or malicious, are just spouting from lack of experience with certain software protectors.

    I wrote a simple exe,
    blank form.
    42 lines of bare bone code.


    I didn't even have to finish the scan to show you that these scanners are BS

    protected.jpg
    protected 1.jpg
    10010.jpg

    EMPTY.jpg
     

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  2. Apr 24, 2020 at 9:41 AM
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    A bit harsh considering some of these random IT guys have more software experience than you ever will leveraging waterfall, scaled agile framework, DevOps, Automation SDLC, PaaS, RaaS working for companies that call Sillicon Valley home.

    I think we all respect your position on the subject, naturally you want to defend your product but to be frank, you are no less random than anyone else.
     
  3. Apr 24, 2020 at 9:44 AM
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    it is also a bit harsh to express the idea that our software is malicious just because you dont have experience with this certain software protection.

    I have gone out of my way to show you guys, and yet none of the IT guys who made the claims will even consider withdrawing their opinionated claims
     
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  4. Apr 24, 2020 at 9:47 AM
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    He's 100% right. I'm an "IT guy" and I've worked for companies who's programs triggered warnings like this despite them not being malicious. The biggest one I can think of is a program that would scrape med records and load that data into an easily searchable DB because the EMR company would not give direct access to their DB's.


    My people don't always take being wrong well.
     
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  5. Apr 24, 2020 at 10:22 AM
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    I agree but at the end of the day it's better to er on the side of caution, especially with software in this day and age. Their claims are no less substantiated than yours.
     
  6. Apr 24, 2020 at 10:25 AM
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    When I prove my case via this... I think my claim holds more weight than their scanners.

     
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  7. Apr 24, 2020 at 10:26 AM
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    It proves there are false positives, it doesnt prove anything beyond that. You are receiving no less criticism than any other software company.

    Was the criticism on Vista also not harsh, or the deployment of the Gov website for Obamacare? How about the vulnerabilities linked with Microsoft Azure and Docker. Is there criticism not equally as harsh, think of the scale they are dealing with while you only have to manage a couple people on a Tacoma forum.

    This is just part of the territory.

    At the end of the day, we are all going to have to agree to disagree. People can either buy your product or not
     
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  8. Apr 24, 2020 at 10:33 AM
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    Go read back through this thread. You were one of the ones originally touting this idea that our software has malicious code signatures, etc.

    You are one of the few originally touting this idea. This isn't criticism. Especially after I have provided an example that our software protection method produces false positives, which actually goes directly against what you said on the previous page, that malicious code signatures don't pop up from use of certain APIs. Are you going to correct yourself?
     
  9. Apr 24, 2020 at 10:37 AM
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    True, someone raised a red flag, I looked into it and concurred with their assessment.

    I think your product is shit and I’m not buying. Sorry.

    Then we agree to disagree. I have no intention of raising it again and if you noticed I haven’t comments on it in your other threads since that initial assessment.
     
  10. Apr 24, 2020 at 10:38 AM
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    When proven wrong, insult.

    thanks.

    Don't insult my product. Just admit you don't have enough experience with certain protection methods to know the difference between a harmless false positive and true malicious software.
     
  11. Apr 24, 2020 at 10:39 AM
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    I’m not wrong but ok. Just because I have a negative opinion of your product does not mean it’s an insult.
     
  12. Apr 24, 2020 at 10:40 AM
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    Your opinion about my product has nothing to do with it being "malicious" or not.

    Your opinion of my product holds zero weight in this argument. This is down to fact.
     
  13. Apr 24, 2020 at 10:41 AM
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    Maybe so, this is the internet after all but you are growing from the same tree.
     
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    What a shit show.
     
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    Alrighty have a nice one.


    For future record, this statement is incorrect.
     
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  16. Apr 24, 2020 at 10:46 AM
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    LOL. Likewise.

    This sums it up right here.
     
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    I would think someone who knows all the IT buzzwords would understand that just because something gets flagged doesn’t mean that its automatically malicious. False positives are common place in AV and flag plenty of legitimate software. Anyone even in an entry level IT position knows this.

    Don’t trust it? Thats fine. Don’t run it. No need to spread FUD.

    If you wanna run it and wear a tinfoil hat, put it on an air gapped machine thats only used for this software. Happens all the time with old software in the enterprise. Then what’s gonna happen? Is it gonna hijack your truck microphone and send everything back to the NSA? lol

    Security is important, but lets be realistic.
     
  18. Apr 24, 2020 at 11:03 AM
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    We won't know though because we don't have access to the source code. We don't have a comprehensive plan of his code practices, pipline, tools, etc.
     
  19. Apr 24, 2020 at 11:06 AM
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    Can you give any of us some examples of companies that provide you their source code because some AV scanner says it's bad?
    including ones that give you comprehensive plans of their code practices, pipline, tools, etc.
     
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    Good job taking something completely out of context with that last quote. :rolleyes:
     
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