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What have you done to your Tacoma today? 1st Gen Edition

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by SlimDigg, Feb 7, 2011.

  1. Apr 28, 2020 at 9:09 AM
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    I’ve been wondering about this too. I’d like to put disks on the rear, but use my parking brake a lot (I’m manual trans) to the point where I think a line lock would be inconvenient.
     
  2. Apr 28, 2020 at 9:18 AM
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    I'm not a fan of having a line lock in replacement of an e-brake because if for some reason you have a brake failure, your line lock will not work either.

    It looks like the guy making this kit in the link is coming out with an e-brake solution soon.

    Ultimately I'd like to put two of these calipers on the rear axle and have one set of brakes going to a hydro brake handle in the cab. I wouldn't be apposed to putting a line lock on that system, that way you at least have two braking systems in case of a failure.
     
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  4. Apr 28, 2020 at 9:26 AM
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    Not a new idea.

    Heres how to get a proper ebrake: https://frontrangeoffroadfab.com/drotor-backing-plate-kit/

    Im still not super convinced disks are a big improvement on the rear of our trucks over the drums.
     
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    I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at. Does that drum brake go behind the rotor?

    While more braking performance would be great, the main reason I want to go with rotors in the back is so I can run a hydro hand brake.
     
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    I’d definitely be interested to see how the two compare side by side in a stop test, but there are so many factors. My guess is that most people don’t have their drums properly adjusted which is why they think they’re not adequate. I’m betting once I finally get my tundra brake upgrade done, I’ll be more than happy with the stopping performance, especially on my 33’s
     
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    haha that would be fun.

    Its a mini drum that runs on the inside of the rotor basically. I'm not 100% sure on compatibility.
     
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    First off, I'm not much of a wheeler, don't go hard on anything besides long dirt roads. What's the advantage to this conversion?

    I've heard that rear drums are good for trucks in general bc the friction works well when stopping a loaded vehicle.
     
  9. Apr 28, 2020 at 9:38 AM
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    I mean if you think about it, technically, a drum brake has WAY more surface area for stopping. Why they have survived so long in trucks honestly.

    That said, disks dissipate heat way better. But most are racing around anyways..

    So not sure. TG sells a rear disk kit as well. https://trail-gear.com/brakes/144039-1-kittacoma-rear-disc-brake-kit.html

    Not sure its worth it though.
     
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    I don't really think there is much of an advantage personally. Why I don't think I'd do it. Although Austins idea of a hydraulic hand brake sound like a good time. But thats the only real reason I can see to do it.
     
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    Huh, what an interesting idea.

    I'd probably just go with the e brake solution the guy making the kit I linked is making because those calipers have a built in e-brake.
     
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    It looked like a line lock to me though yes?
     
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    It looks to me like a cable system that ties into the factory e-brake handle.

    Those calipers have a cable attachment for an e-brake built into them.
     
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    True. I’m not convince that the expanding force of shoes on a drum is more effective than the clamping force of pads on a disk. Especially when they get hot. My uncle had an OOOOLLLLDDD Dodge of some sort when I was a little kid, and I remember him talking about how scary having drum brakes all around was in the Sierras. It was lifted with monster tires on it. I was like 4, so I have no idea what the thing actually was.

    EDIT: That said, semis still use drum brakes..... Soooo...??

    I’m not convinced the trail gear kit is worth it. I definitely want a functioning ebrake. Most weekends that I get out on forrest service roads, I cruise in first gear and pick up trash along the way. Some times I only make it 20-30 feet before I spot another beer can in the ditch and have to get out. I feel like a line lock would be really annoying doing that all the time.
     
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    Ah so it's a mechanical connection and actuation. That's cool. Maybe I'll get a set too to try. Could be fun on the future turbo SX. But the hydro slide lever sounds fun haha

    Well sure but old as drums are scary haha new ones are quite the improvement.

    And yes semis use huge drums. Like I said, way way more surface area of clamping force.

    The heat dissipation is the big gain from discs. Unless you get huuuuge disks of course. So idk. Some one smarter than me probably know's the real answer.
     
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    True. I suppose I was comparing apples to oranges there.
     
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    Hell yeah it does :burnrubber:
     
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    haha yeah. Im sure there are ways to calculate it all but will depend on the caliper size and piston count. Plus gobs of other variables.
     
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    Is that a spacer/bracket for the 6.5? Where'd ya get that?
     

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