Bilstein 6112

mOjO_Taco · May 10, 2020

Stigman said: ↑

Need an assembled 6112 setup to match the 5160s I just picked up. Headstrong is OOS. Any other recommended vendors with similar/better pricing, who also offer assembly?
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Wheelers Offroad has some deals, also currently tax free if you are a member....which basically signed into their mailing list.

mOjO_Taco · May 10, 2020

I am sold on the 6112s/5160s and I already have the 5160s sitting in the garage waiting and now I am looking to purchase the 6112s and I thought I was set on the 5/6 setup but now may be considering the 5/4 only because I am not wanting to go more than a 2 inch lift. Was also thinking of the getting the KING 700lb spring but I am understanding that this will make the ride stiffer? I don't plan on putting a winch on or loading weight on the front. Some advice will be appreciated. In regards to the rear with the 5160s, I will be going with AAL but not sure with what brand.

WZ00R2 · May 11, 2020

mOjO_Taco said: ↑

I am sold on the 6112s/5160s and I already have the 5160s sitting in the garage waiting and now I am looking to purchase the 6112s and I thought I was set on the 5/6 setup but now may be considering the 5/4 only because I am not wanting to go more than a 2 inch lift. Was also thinking of the getting the KING 700lb spring but I am understanding that this will make the ride stiffer? I don't plan on putting a winch on or loading weight on the front. Some advice will be appreciated. In regards to the rear with the 5160s, I will be going with AAL but not sure with what brand.
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A 700lb spring will ride much stiffer if you are not planning to add additional weight.

Your third gen truck, if a double cab, will be raised the 2" you want at the 5/6 setting.

Sandman TRD · May 11, 2020

18Taco said: ↑

I am sure this will get lost in here quickly and there are countless threads on the subject so I won't start another. I thought I would give a detailed review of my experience with the 6112/5160 combo with stock height on a TRD OR without changing the leaf springs. I am doing this because I did not find any reviews that went into detail prior to my purchase. I am sure they are out there and will be just as hard to find as mine will in the near future.

SUMMARY: For those that don't care to read I have found two words for the combo: stability and control. I am glad I made the purchase.

To start off I will say I have many years of training/experience in various driving conditions and surfaces, with different vehicle and drive-train types. I am far from a subject matter expert and think you should come to your own conclusion. Below I will list various different conditions I put my vehicle through. I put the vehicle through these conditions both in stock and upgraded form just before and after install. (2 week process with many hours driven to write this review.) I have found it is best to do it this way to make more of an accurate comparison. To summarize my daily driving style I would categorize it as spirited. I am not a boy racer nor a casual driver.

DAILY DRIVING: Prior to the install I found my truck to be a truck. It had noticeable but manageable nose dive, leaned in corners, and had moderate to severe understeer. It was basically everything I signed up for when buying a truck and not a sports car. One thing I did notice was how easily it shook over uneven roads, small potholes, and my front passenger seat would constantly shake at highway speeds. It felt like the suspension wasn't really up to the task. After the install I noticed the nose dive became less pronounced. Yes, it is still there and isn't going magically away with this setup. It leans noticeably less in corners and it is more manageable as speeds increase. I haven't noticed a change in the understeer but that is expected. The only difference is I am able to get to higher speeds before it kicks in. Also, my passenger seat no longer bounces all over the place as if someone is sitting in the backseat repeatedly kicking it. As far as a night and day difference between the two, don't expect to be wowed during your normal drive. If you are researching this purchase you will most likely be the type of driver who will appreciate the subtle changes as I have.

OFF ROAD DRIVING: For this condition I mostly drove logging roads and very few obstacles. The logging roads I tested on have large washboards in places, some large potholes, and side roads with some obstacles. They are what I have come to expect logging roads to look like and have driven across throughout the continental USA. Prior to the install my truck would get thrown from side to side around corners during washboard sections. This is best described as a boat rocking in the open ocean as it gets tossed from side to side rather than front to back. At speeds as low as 20-25 mph the swaying that would be created from this would cause the tires to bounce and quickly the truck would lose traction. Once traction was lost the truck would start to slide away from the apex of the turn creating a loss of control. After the install this was all gone. My truck no longer swayed back and forth around corners caused by large washboards. I was quickly able to ditch going the same speed to keep things similar for this comparison. Instead of going 20-25 I was easily able to go 35+. I would have tried to go much faster but all of these corners were blind and it is not a closed course. Either way, the change was noticeable and appreciated.

While driving over potholes I found the truck before the install would crash over them to include small ones. I found it would rattle my teeth or give me the feeling of being punched in the kidney. This included larger graveled areas with small ruts. After the install things were much smoother. I found the potholes that I used to feel seemed as if they were not even there. The potholes that used to rattle my teeth or make it feel like they would break my truck were no longer a death sentence waiting to happen. I could still feel them but instead of a punch in the kidney it felt more like being pushed in the back. While driving through a sea of extremely large potholes prior to the install at 10 mph, my head/body would rock back and forth and side to side. When I went through this area post upgrade, I almost forgot I was doing a comparison because I never felt my head even sway let alone my body. As far as going over obstacles such as smaller diameter trees that have fallen, bigger rocks, etc, I noticed a slight change. I go over these things so slowly anyways that it really doesn't matter. I am not trying to break things.

One area I did not notice a change in was over very large gravel which would almost make the road into cobble stone. This is an area where speed stayed the same and would still shake the heck out of the truck.

ROAD COURSE DRIVING: I won't go into detail here as it is a truck and not a sports car. This part is just for fun and to make a comparison most people won't need. After the install I noticed higher speed corners (80+) were far more controlled. I found areas where corners felt unsafe due to the truck leaning heavily it was now flatter and I could go 10 - 15 mph faster and safer. After the install, against a less experienced driver, I was able to outpace a TRD Camry. Yes, the driver was actually trying. Like I said, they were less experienced and had no idea what a cornering line was or when to brake.

CONCLUSION: I cannot for the life of me understand how this is not the stock setup from the factory. I don't know how the truck is allowed to have TRD badges on it with such weak suspension. The stock suspension feels like it belongs in a lower trim vehicle and not one that is supposed to be a step below the TRD Pro but yet still have TRD badges affixed. I wish I would have purchased this setup sooner and not waited 50k miles to do so. The only benefit I can see about waiting so long is I can appreciate it more now that I lived with the OEM setup as long as I did. I would suggest anyone who buys a Tacoma first try the stock setup. If they are unhappy, consider the 6112/5160 combo if they are looking for a cheap upgrade and want to have a similar experience to mine. If you are a desert racer, high speed runner, or have higher needs than I, this combo is not for you. Good luck and hopefully I helped a few people before my review gets lost in the mega-thread.
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Great review. Thanks for sharing. What settings did you go with?

18Taco · May 11, 2020

Sandman TRD said: ↑

Great review. Thanks for sharing. What settings did you go with?
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Thank you. Hopefully it'll help a little.

I stayed with the stock height. I didn't want to go down a rabbit hole of upgrades which knowing me I would've quickly done.

crashngiggles · May 11, 2020

18Taco said: ↑

I am sure this will get lost in here quickly and there are countless threads on the subject so I won't start another. I thought I would give a detailed review of my experience with the 6112/5160 combo with stock height on a TRD OR without changing the leaf springs. I am doing this because I did not find any reviews that went into detail prior to my purchase. I am sure they are out there and will be just as hard to find as mine will in the near future.

SUMMARY: For those that don't care to read I have found two words for the combo: stability and control. I am glad I made the purchase.

To start off I will say I have many years of training/experience in various driving conditions and surfaces, with different vehicle and drive-train types. I am far from a subject matter expert and think you should come to your own conclusion. Below I will list various different conditions I put my vehicle through. I put the vehicle through these conditions both in stock and upgraded form just before and after install. (2 week process with many hours driven to write this review.) I have found it is best to do it this way to make more of an accurate comparison. To summarize my daily driving style I would categorize it as spirited. I am not a boy racer nor a casual driver.

DAILY DRIVING: Prior to the install I found my truck to be a truck. It had noticeable but manageable nose dive, leaned in corners, and had moderate to severe understeer. It was basically everything I signed up for when buying a truck and not a sports car. One thing I did notice was how easily it shook over uneven roads, small potholes, and my front passenger seat would constantly shake at highway speeds. It felt like the suspension wasn't really up to the task. After the install I noticed the nose dive became less pronounced. Yes, it is still there and isn't going magically away with this setup. It leans noticeably less in corners and it is more manageable as speeds increase. I haven't noticed a change in the understeer but that is expected. The only difference is I am able to get to higher speeds before it kicks in. Also, my passenger seat no longer bounces all over the place as if someone is sitting in the backseat repeatedly kicking it. As far as a night and day difference between the two, don't expect to be wowed during your normal drive. If you are researching this purchase you will most likely be the type of driver who will appreciate the subtle changes as I have.

OFF ROAD DRIVING: For this condition I mostly drove logging roads and very few obstacles. The logging roads I tested on have large washboards in places, some large potholes, and side roads with some obstacles. They are what I have come to expect logging roads to look like and have driven across throughout the continental USA. Prior to the install my truck would get thrown from side to side around corners during washboard sections. This is best described as a boat rocking in the open ocean as it gets tossed from side to side rather than front to back. At speeds as low as 20-25 mph the swaying that would be created from this would cause the tires to bounce and quickly the truck would lose traction. Once traction was lost the truck would start to slide away from the apex of the turn creating a loss of control. After the install this was all gone. My truck no longer swayed back and forth around corners caused by large washboards. I was quickly able to ditch going the same speed to keep things similar for this comparison. Instead of going 20-25 I was easily able to go 35+. I would have tried to go much faster but all of these corners were blind and it is not a closed course. Either way, the change was noticeable and appreciated.

While driving over potholes I found the truck before the install would crash over them to include small ones. I found it would rattle my teeth or give me the feeling of being punched in the kidney. This included larger graveled areas with small ruts. After the install things were much smoother. I found the potholes that I used to feel seemed as if they were not even there. The potholes that used to rattle my teeth or make it feel like they would break my truck were no longer a death sentence waiting to happen. I could still feel them but instead of a punch in the kidney it felt more like being pushed in the back. While driving through a sea of extremely large potholes prior to the install at 10 mph, my head/body would rock back and forth and side to side. When I went through this area post upgrade, I almost forgot I was doing a comparison because I never felt my head even sway let alone my body. As far as going over obstacles such as smaller diameter trees that have fallen, bigger rocks, etc, I noticed a slight change. I go over these things so slowly anyways that it really doesn't matter. I am not trying to break things.

One area I did not notice a change in was over very large gravel which would almost make the road into cobble stone. This is an area where speed stayed the same and would still shake the heck out of the truck.

ROAD COURSE DRIVING: I won't go into detail here as it is a truck and not a sports car. This part is just for fun and to make a comparison most people won't need. After the install I noticed higher speed corners (80+) were far more controlled. I found areas where corners felt unsafe due to the truck leaning heavily it was now flatter and I could go 10 - 15 mph faster and safer. After the install, against a less experienced driver, I was able to outpace a TRD Camry. Yes, the driver was actually trying. Like I said, they were less experienced and had no idea what a cornering line was or when to brake.

CONCLUSION: I cannot for the life of me understand how this is not the stock setup from the factory. I don't know how the truck is allowed to have TRD badges on it with such weak suspension. The stock suspension feels like it belongs in a lower trim vehicle and not one that is supposed to be a step below the TRD Pro but yet still have TRD badges affixed. I wish I would have purchased this setup sooner and not waited 50k miles to do so. The only benefit I can see about waiting so long is I can appreciate it more now that I lived with the OEM setup as long as I did. I would suggest anyone who buys a Tacoma first try the stock setup. If they are unhappy, consider the 6112/5160 combo if they are looking for a cheap upgrade and want to have a similar experience to mine. If you are a desert racer, high speed runner, or have higher needs than I, this combo is not for you. Good luck and hopefully I helped a few people before my review gets lost in the mega-thread.
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This is an amazing review. Especially for people looking for a before and after perspective as well as a stock configuration. Thank you for your input and I will reference this with anyone that asks again. BTW, what year truck do you have? It will make a difference in the future when people ask.

toucan · May 11, 2020

crashngiggles said: ↑

Do you have a wench in the arb? If not you should expect about 2-2.25 inches on the 4th notch ina sec gen.
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I'd love to mount a wench on the front of my truck.

HB Taco · May 11, 2020

toucan said: ↑

I'd love to mount a wench on the front of my truck.
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me too!

18Taco · May 11, 2020

crashngiggles said: ↑

This is an amazing review. Especially for people looking for a before and after perspective as well as a stock configuration. Thank you for your input and I will reference this with anyone that asks again. BTW, what year truck do you have? It will make a difference in the future when people ask.
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I have an 18 without much extra weight. Just sliders and the factory tonneau cover. Tires are stock sized BFG KO2 on stock wheels without changing tire pressures.

JStarr · May 11, 2020

18Taco said: ↑

I am sure this will get lost in here quickly and there are countless threads on the subject so I won't start another. I thought I would give a detailed review of my experience with the 6112/5160 combo with stock height on a TRD OR without changing the leaf springs. I am doing this because I did not find any reviews that went into detail prior to my purchase. I am sure they are out there and will be just as hard to find as mine will in the near future.

SUMMARY: For those that don't care to read I have found two words for the combo: stability and control. I am glad I made the purchase.

To start off I will say I have many years of training/experience in various driving conditions and surfaces, with different vehicle and drive-train types. I am far from a subject matter expert and think you should come to your own conclusion. Below I will list various different conditions I put my vehicle through. I put the vehicle through these conditions both in stock and upgraded form just before and after install. (2 week process with many hours driven to write this review.) I have found it is best to do it this way to make more of an accurate comparison. To summarize my daily driving style I would categorize it as spirited. I am not a boy racer nor a casual driver.

DAILY DRIVING: Prior to the install I found my truck to be a truck. It had noticeable but manageable nose dive, leaned in corners, and had moderate to severe understeer. It was basically everything I signed up for when buying a truck and not a sports car. One thing I did notice was how easily it shook over uneven roads, small potholes, and my front passenger seat would constantly shake at highway speeds. It felt like the suspension wasn't really up to the task. After the install I noticed the nose dive became less pronounced. Yes, it is still there and isn't going magically away with this setup. It leans noticeably less in corners and it is more manageable as speeds increase. I haven't noticed a change in the understeer but that is expected. The only difference is I am able to get to higher speeds before it kicks in. Also, my passenger seat no longer bounces all over the place as if someone is sitting in the backseat repeatedly kicking it. As far as a night and day difference between the two, don't expect to be wowed during your normal drive. If you are researching this purchase you will most likely be the type of driver who will appreciate the subtle changes as I have.

OFF ROAD DRIVING: For this condition I mostly drove logging roads and very few obstacles. The logging roads I tested on have large washboards in places, some large potholes, and side roads with some obstacles. They are what I have come to expect logging roads to look like and have driven across throughout the continental USA. Prior to the install my truck would get thrown from side to side around corners during washboard sections. This is best described as a boat rocking in the open ocean as it gets tossed from side to side rather than front to back. At speeds as low as 20-25 mph the swaying that would be created from this would cause the tires to bounce and quickly the truck would lose traction. Once traction was lost the truck would start to slide away from the apex of the turn creating a loss of control. After the install this was all gone. My truck no longer swayed back and forth around corners caused by large washboards. I was quickly able to ditch going the same speed to keep things similar for this comparison. Instead of going 20-25 I was easily able to go 35+. I would have tried to go much faster but all of these corners were blind and it is not a closed course. Either way, the change was noticeable and appreciated.

While driving over potholes I found the truck before the install would crash over them to include small ones. I found it would rattle my teeth or give me the feeling of being punched in the kidney. This included larger graveled areas with small ruts. After the install things were much smoother. I found the potholes that I used to feel seemed as if they were not even there. The potholes that used to rattle my teeth or make it feel like they would break my truck were no longer a death sentence waiting to happen. I could still feel them but instead of a punch in the kidney it felt more like being pushed in the back. While driving through a sea of extremely large potholes prior to the install at 10 mph, my head/body would rock back and forth and side to side. When I went through this area post upgrade, I almost forgot I was doing a comparison because I never felt my head even sway let alone my body. As far as going over obstacles such as smaller diameter trees that have fallen, bigger rocks, etc, I noticed a slight change. I go over these things so slowly anyways that it really doesn't matter. I am not trying to break things.

One area I did not notice a change in was over very large gravel which would almost make the road into cobble stone. This is an area where speed stayed the same and would still shake the heck out of the truck.

ROAD COURSE DRIVING: I won't go into detail here as it is a truck and not a sports car. This part is just for fun and to make a comparison most people won't need. After the install I noticed higher speed corners (80+) were far more controlled. I found areas where corners felt unsafe due to the truck leaning heavily it was now flatter and I could go 10 - 15 mph faster and safer. After the install, against a less experienced driver, I was able to outpace a TRD Camry. Yes, the driver was actually trying. Like I said, they were less experienced and had no idea what a cornering line was or when to brake.

CONCLUSION: I cannot for the life of me understand how this is not the stock setup from the factory. I don't know how the truck is allowed to have TRD badges on it with such weak suspension. The stock suspension feels like it belongs in a lower trim vehicle and not one that is supposed to be a step below the TRD Pro but yet still have TRD badges affixed. I wish I would have purchased this setup sooner and not waited 50k miles to do so. The only benefit I can see about waiting so long is I can appreciate it more now that I lived with the OEM setup as long as I did. I would suggest anyone who buys a Tacoma first try the stock setup. If they are unhappy, consider the 6112/5160 combo if they are looking for a cheap upgrade and want to have a similar experience to mine. If you are a desert racer, high speed runner, or have higher needs than I, this combo is not for you. Good luck and hopefully I helped a few people before my review gets lost in the mega-thread.
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Thanks for the intelligent assessments. I share your before experiences, but with one additional point in regards to my 2017 TRD OR with KO2's and some side armoring. When I descend a dip in a minor roadway, the rear bottoms out and hits the stops on the way back up. This happens even with only a cooler or two in the bed.

I recently purchased a pair of 6112s for the front and 5100's for the rear, which I'll be installing soon. I'm hoping that the 5100's will help with the rear bottoming. If not, I'll try either a heftier shock or an aal.

iK0NiK · May 11, 2020

18Taco said: ↑

At speeds as low as 20-25 mph the swaying that would be created from this would cause the tires to bounce and quickly the truck would lose traction. Once traction was lost the truck would start to slide away from the apex of the turn creating a loss of control. After the install this was all gone. My truck no longer swayed back and forth around corners caused by large washboards. I was quickly able to ditch going the same speed to keep things similar for this comparison. Instead of going 20-25 I was easily able to go 35+.
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Exactly my experience as well. I think I even did a very similar test in my initial impressions when I installed the 6112s. They absorb the shock much better than the stock suspension and keep the tires planted much better. The faster you go in 6112/5160's the smoother they get. It's really awesome.

iK0NiK · May 11, 2020

JStarr said: ↑

When I descend a dip in a minor roadway, the rear bottoms out and hits the stops on the way back up. This happens even with only a cooler or two in the bed.
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Side effect of the shit-tier factory leaf springs, unfortunately. Upgrading shocks will not fix it. It's not a shock issue, it's a spring issue. A 3-Leaf AAL kit will take care of that problem for you for the majority of terrain as long as you're not hauling a lot of weight.

Pb12in · May 11, 2020

18Taco said: ↑

Good luck and hopefully I helped a few people before my review gets lost in the mega-thread.
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Great post, reviews of these at stock height are few and far between.

This answered a question I had, at stock height these are not harsher than stock OR shocks in any of the tested off road conditions. Did I get that right?

toucan · May 11, 2020

HB Taco said: ↑

me too!
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She too, can expect 2-2.25"

Lamb_of_the_freefolk · May 11, 2020

After upgrading from 5100's, here's my very brief and summarized experience with the 6112/5160 combo, at max ride height, with two different wheel offset setups (note: I have the 600lb spring with little weight added to the truck, no sway bar, and LT tires):

with 0 offset, it is a very noticeable improvement over the 5100's driving through potholes and uneven roads. I barely feel them at speeds of +40mph/60kph.

with -31 offset, the bilsteins still perform fairly well at the speeds mentioned above. However, anything slower and its pretty unsettling. I'd say they perform slightly worse than the 5100's with 0 offset wheels. I knew wider offsets would negatively affect the performance of the suspension, but this caught me by surprise for sure.

I will probably settle with -10 offset once SCS restocks the wheels im looking for. will most likely switch to long travel down the road. Hope this helps anyone with similar wheel/tire set ups looking to grab these.

ejewels · May 12, 2020

WZ00R2 said: ↑

A 700lb spring will ride much stiffer if you are not planning to add additional weight.

Your third gen truck, if a double cab, will be raised the 2" you want at the 5/6 setting.

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Or 2.25-2.5" like I got initially ... mine is settled at 2" DS, 2.25" PS after almost 2 years.

Tibetan Nomad · May 12, 2020

Anyone here clearing 33s with 6112?
I've CMC done and I'm clearing with 700lb coils and 6th top notch on 6112 but I'm planning on swapping to 650lb coils and drop the notch form 6th to 5th to gain little softer ride from current harsh ride I've.

Below are the rough measurements I took just now.

Front driver side:
Center wheel hub to bottom fender: 25”
Front driver side tire to front inner fender 2.9”
Front tire to rear inner fender 2.9”

Front passenger side:
Center wheel hub to bottom fender: 25”
Front driver side tire to front inner fender 2.9”
Front tire to rear inner fender 2.9”

Full turn left:
Front driver side tire to cmc: 1”
Front pass side tire to front inner fender: 1.7”

Full turn right side:
Front driver tire side to front inner fender: 1.5”
Front passenger side tire to cmc: 1”

WZ00R2 · May 12, 2020

Tibetan Nomad said: ↑

Anyone here clearing 33s with 6112?
I've CMC done and I'm clearing with 700lb coils and 6th top notch on 6112 but I'm planning on swapping to 650lb coils and drop the notch form 6th to 5th to gain little softer ride from current harsh ride I've.

Below are the rough measurements I took just now.

Front driver side:
Center wheel hub to bottom fender: 25”
Front driver side tire to front inner fender 2.9”
Front tire to rear inner fender 2.9”

Front passenger side:
Center wheel hub to bottom fender: 25”
Front driver side tire to front inner fender 2.9”
Front tire to rear inner fender 2.9”

Full turn left:
Front driver side tire to cmc: 1”
Front pass side tire to front inner fender: 1.7”

Full turn right side:
Front driver tire side to front inner fender: 1.5”
Front passenger side tire to cmc: 1”
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Lots are clearing them with the standard springs the 6112s come with at the 5th setting. I bet a 700lb spring on the 6th setting is pretty harsh.

The real issue will be your wheel and tire choice.

Tibetan Nomad · May 12, 2020

WZ00R2 said: ↑

Lots are clearing them with the standard springs the 6112s come with at the 5th setting. I bet a 700lb spring on the 6th setting is pretty harsh.

The real issue will be your wheel and tire choice.
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Tires Falken WildPeak AT3W (285/70R17) Load range E.
Wheels: FN fx Pro 17x8 with 0 offset.
Rear Dakar HD leaf pack + Overload leaf resulting in about 1" rake. Now that I think about it maybe safer to just stay with top 6th notch and replace the spring 700 > 650.
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/bilstein-6112.421995/page-163

I recall 33s front tires were touching the inner fender lining when going over dip when on 4th notch and 700lb springs. So I'm guessing 650 and 5th notch would be same?

ISU800m · May 12, 2020

Plan is to run 265/75/r16, 6112s, 5160s, and an aal. What considerations need to be made with this? Dif drop, needle bearing, etc. I'm looking to keep a bit of rake as well, but I am most worried about causing premature wear as this is my daily. I'm new to this so any help is appreciated!

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