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"welding is welding"

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Johnny Cheese, May 4, 2020.

  1. May 5, 2020 at 9:07 PM
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    With those few sentences add yourself to the armchair welders who have no idea wtf they are talking about.
     
  2. May 5, 2020 at 9:15 PM
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    Will do bro. Thanks.
     
  3. May 25, 2020 at 10:56 AM
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    Alright, this is the welding job what I got:

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    They guy I ended up with seemed more than capable to me. He designs and sells his own sliders and did show me some of his work, which looked pretty impressive to me. He also didn't want to use the gussets that came with the 4xInnovation sliders (they're triangles with about a 1.5" side; didn't look strong enough to him) and insisted on using what you see in the picture.

    To me, the job looks like it's going to outlast the rest of the truck.
     
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  4. May 25, 2020 at 11:29 AM
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    Seems like the gusset is running on the side of the tube? Might want it centered if you are gonna drop on the guy hard.
     
  5. May 25, 2020 at 11:36 AM
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    They are. I don't think he did that by accident. I'll ask him why it's done that way next time I see him. Pretty sure it's not because he was too lazy to cut them to size.
     
  6. May 25, 2020 at 11:50 AM
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    Not a welder or engineer here (disclaimer), but I think it's structurally more sound on the tube that way. Centered up on top increases the chances of crimping/bending the tube under hard stress. I'm sure the pro welders can add to the consideration.

    At least, I've seen comments to that effect on square tubing where the gusset is offset from the middle, but not on the side like this.
     
  7. May 25, 2020 at 11:51 AM
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    Not the easiest place to weld with the gussets on top. A weld can only hold the strength of the joined material - the gusset being on top won't hold any more than the one on the side if the joined material isn't strong enough to hold the truck up against the weight of impact. The insured penetration you can get on one side of the tube could be better than welds that don’t have full penetration on both sides if the gusset was on top. I’m assuming this is why the guy did it this way.

    I love throwing gussets on my truck but I don't think anything else is required here - if you really had to reinforce the tube you'd add another similar one on the other side. I'm sure you'll be fine unless you have different plans for the truck than what I'd put a brand new vehicle through.
     
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  8. May 25, 2020 at 12:23 PM
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    Put me on the team of lots of bad advice here.
    I know it’s already been done, but....If you take it to the best 4x4 shop in your state, I guarantee they didn’t examine the steel and change out the welding wire for the correct tinsel strength for the metallurgy of the sliders and the frame. They will grind the frame, clean the sliders, attach the ground and get after it. So yea, welding is welding. A good friend of mine is one of the best welder/fabricators I’ve ever seen. He’s a complete hobby welder and holds no certs, agents or world titles. I’d let him weld something that held my kids over a cliff if I needed to. So much crap in this thread it’s funny....I also love the fact that people are giving advice on what they would allow and not allow, then they say “but I’m not a welder”. Lol
     
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  9. May 25, 2020 at 1:19 PM
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    I've read your post 3 times but I just can't see how what you've written can be helpful to anybody. As I see it, essentially you are saying that there is no way to tell who is good at welding and who isn't. You cast the best 4x4 shops out there against your hobbyist friend and say that he's better than anybody else you know and then trash the people that admit they don't weld professionally but are honest enought to qualify their point of view. What am I going to get out of this?

    And worst, you say that there is "so much crap in this thread" but don't bother to point out the post that you think contributed the crap. That's meaningless.

    I can tell you that somebody who posts "just weld that shit, it's worked for me" is more helpful to me. I can assume that they don't know much about what they're doing and still it has worked for them. It means that even a bad welding job can stop some impact and protect from damage.

    Unless, of course, they are outright lying or never banged their DIY job against any rock at all.

    Anyway, it's all done. Unless mine break I don't need anymore advice. I resurrected the thread to thank people and to get an opinion on the picture I posted - which I did get.
     
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  10. May 25, 2020 at 1:27 PM
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    This is the only thing I don’t like here. I like welding the mounting plate all the way around so moisture can’t enter in between the frame and the slider. Being in Nevada it may not be a problem. The paint on the inside of the frame also gets cooked off so paint that area as well if you already haven’t


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    Out of curiosity, would you have to dab that bolt hole too if moisture is the concern?

    Living in Texas, I suppose ignorance is bliss since it'll take a few decades for rust to become a serious issue (unless you're on the coast of course).
     
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  12. May 25, 2020 at 1:33 PM
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    If I were welding those on then I would have plug welded that hole. Growing up in CA and then moving to the east coast, it’s wild how stuff rusts does easily between all the moisture and salt from snow.
     
  13. May 25, 2020 at 1:45 PM
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    Good observation, @EatSleepTacos. I did talk to him about rust issues (not specific to the thing you pointed out but regarding bolt on vs weld on) and he said that rust really isn't anything to worry about in the high desert with 10-15% humidity. He also asked if my truck lives in a garage or is street parked (It's in a garage). I am going to check with him though next time I see him.
     
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    Sorry, I didn’t want it to sound like my buddy is better than any shop, but he is the best I’ve seen. I guess what I’m trying to say is, if I needed something welded, I wouldn’t think twice about letting someone with his own shop for 20yrs do the job.
     
  15. May 25, 2020 at 1:49 PM
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    Ok then - that's exactly what I ended up doing! :cheers:
     
  16. May 25, 2020 at 1:52 PM
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    I wouldn’t be too concerned then. It’ll be ages before it ever becomes a real issue. If you really wanted to you could just use some caulk/silicone to seal it off
     
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    I think his last name is Collier, unsure on spelling. I became obsessed with Tig and Jody taught me everything. I would go get drops from my local metal shop and just put My hood down and go to work. I just ordered a set of diy sliders so I'm excited to pick the Tig up again! Also, For those wondering, Tig isn't that much "overkill" there's more prep but less cleanup after the weld is done. Almost a moot point.

    First pic is spray transfer and the other two are Tig.

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  18. May 25, 2020 at 2:14 PM
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    Yeah that’s the owner of weldingtipsandtricks.com
     
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    Yap
     
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  20. May 25, 2020 at 2:26 PM
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    The other thing is that there doesn’t appear to be any good reason not to have welded all the way to the corner. He just stopped short for some reason. It’s probably not a big deal, but it’s just odd.
     

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