Crawl or no crawl?

2wd and a lot of skinny peddle is all you need.

 

Crawl Control is not needed at all. People have been successfully off-roading forever without it... It's is more like a participation trophy for finishing last; it makes you feel good even though you suck.

 

Anti Lock Brakes are not needed at all. People have been successfully stopping forever without it... It's is more like a participation trophy for finishing last; it makes you feel good even though you suck.

 

Excellent point! Anti Lock Breaks are for people who suck at stopping just like Crawl Control is for people who suck at driving off-road. Thanks.

 

OK boomer

 

CC is just cruise control for extremely low speeds and modulates speed. MTS (A-TRAC) is the traction aid for the driven wheels that gives limited slip or locker'ish behavior. Nothing replaces a locker since MTS/A-TRAC requires 'wasting' equal torque to the slipping wheel (by braking) to get that equal amount to the tractive wheel. Since it's working across an open differential the most available torque you can get to a tractive wheel is 50%.

 

Ahhh, good explanation. I didn't think about how the auto breaking affects power to the wheels. I wonder, because CC is limiting speed, it affects traction as well? Not allowing the wheel to spin when trying to climb an obstacle could also help traction?

The only time I used CC that seemed to benefit me was going down a super steep grade offroad. But then again, maybe it just seems like its helping because I am doing less work. I don't know if I could modulate brake and gas like the computer can with my foot when it comes to CC. As someone else said, it's almost like having a lower gear, which also helps gain traction correct? But maybe as a result of it using the break to do so, you negate any actual advantage and it really is just about speed?

Ugggg, maybe I should have gotten the SR5 and air lockers.. Somewhere there is a thread about lockers vs crawl. If I remember there is a lot of good information about the differentials and different types of limited-slip, lockers etc.

Here are the thread and the link to the video I mentioned before: Good example of Crawl vs Locker, from what I can tell, although I'm not 100 percent sure if the one is using crawl or just locked rear. I sat back and just listened to what some members were going back and forth about, very informative.
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/front-lockers-on-3rd-gen.516182/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yueI_uErsk&feature=emb_logo

 

Some folks hate on it, which is weird to me, but it definitely works.

 

Yes, limiting speed and speed in general will have an effect on traction, but by automotive convention "traction control" refers to the control of torque and how it's applied to the driven wheels to generate thrust. That's not to say crawl control won't utilize the traction control system to maintain speed though.

 

I have used CC once successfully on a very steep loose rock hill. It got me past a point where I couldn't get traction. Honestly though, the MTS and locker have been used a lot, but not once outside of trails.

 

seems as a lot of the ones who bash crawl
control as a gimmick are the ones
who bought Sports for the “Hood Scoop” just my .02. Check out the videos of CC getting trucks out of sand buried to the axles so it does work just noisy.

 

I personally couldn't care less about crawl control, I was after the other options that came with it. From the sounds of it, I'd think you'd be just fine with reg 4wd.

 

Seems to me that people who guess why others bought what they did are morons, which makes their .02 cents worthless. Also, don’t bury your truck to the axles in sand.

 

Sheesh

We all know you should probably choose the least aggressive options and progress to the most aggressive. People who aren't going out of the way to look for a challenging option may stick to 4 hi...then low.

Then these same people will say "hey maybe I need a locker, I've been getting more comfortable and confident with my vehicle and abilities" and will flip a switch or install one (or two if you're already in it)

Somewhere in between is crawl control. Not quite commited for a front locker but have a rear.

Just some dude on the internet.

 

While I completely agree with your rationale, you left out an exceptionally large group of people who make up the majority, here on TW and on the trails; the people who want things just to have them. These are the people who go off-road and use 4wd, lockers and/or crawl control when it is not at all needed, but it makes them feel like they did something amazing. It's the same with the trucks you see loaded with every bit of "overlanding" gear imaginable, only to pull up to a paved campground with a picnic table... But that's besides the point. My original post was stating my thoughts on the title question; Crawl or no crawl? I have never wanted or "needed" crawl control in any vehicle going up a hill, down a hill, or at any other time ever when I was off-road. I feel that crawl control is like having training wheels for a vehicle that you can't drive well... But I do welcome the discussion, even if we may disagree, so for that I thank you, dude on the internet.

 

Used it on devils staircase in Sedona on low setting going down didn’t slip once it impressed me

 

The OR package is a $1750 add-on over the SR5. It gets you better cloth seats, rear locker, MTS/crawl control and, of course, the Bro decal. I bought an OR in 2019 but had I waited a year (wish I had), I would go SR5 since infotainment systems are now identical, both have power seat, and TSS is standard, I think.

That said, you are likely to get most of the OR premium back upon resale.

 

CC is amazing when used accordingly. Especially downhill. It's just another tool in the toolbox. Others are the tool.

And if used at the right speed it's noiseless. Brutal first engagement, but it is smooth after that on the right terrain and speed.