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BDS 820F 6" Coil-Over Suspension Lift Kit + New Wheels + New Rubber

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by 2020Tacos, Jun 26, 2020.

  1. Jun 26, 2020 at 2:27 PM
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    Look into a 2" or 3" lift. King, Fox, Icon, OME, Bilstein are the go to brands. Get control arms. Run 285's if you don't mind trimming, CMC. run 255's or 265's if not.

    Just my opinion as a new tacoma owner, add a grain of salt.
     
  2. Jun 26, 2020 at 2:27 PM
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    Thank you, I will look into those brands, and the options that are available including the work needed for 35's. From what I've read so far the 33's seem to be the sweet spot for most while maintaining the stock ride.
     
  3. Jun 26, 2020 at 2:34 PM
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    These are perfect questions for BDS technical support. This is a long winding road you are starting down.

    In my experience, you need adjustable UCAs like the SPCs for any lift pretty much to get the drivability dialed in and not sacrifice too much. I wouldn't buy static UCAs. These trucks drivability goes to SHIT if the alignment isn't in the sweet spot.

    It probably needs 18" wheels to clear their spindles. If it says it is designed for 18" or 20" wheels so you have to use 18s or 20s.

    You don't need those crazy offsets (-44 to -51mm) get an 18x9 or 20x9 with at least -12mm offset (4.5" backspacing).
     
  4. Jun 26, 2020 at 2:38 PM
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    Thank you for the advise - will definitely be looking into the options you all have provided - I'm re-thinking the whole build, and couldn't be more thankful. It's been a long time since I've been in the off road circle.

    Out of curiosity - Is any one able to confirm the accuracy of customoffsets.com's compatibility for wheel and tire fitments based on the suspension selections?
     
  5. Jun 26, 2020 at 2:41 PM
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    Yes they are the perfect questions for BDS technical support, I've sent correspondence regarding these very questions with little to go off of per the responses received unfortunately.

    You mention crazy offsets - these are the recommended compatible offsets per customoffsets.com with a 6" lift selected - Been wondering about the accuracy...
     
  6. Jun 26, 2020 at 2:57 PM
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    Facts vs Opinions :

    1. Drop bracket kits require a larger rim ID because the aftermarket spindle flips the tie rod end over on top of the spindle vs the stock configuration. You would need some very shallow backspacing to avoid that issue or spacers so that the rim clears the t.r.e

    2. Yes the diff drops with the cross member but that does NOT mean the diff loses ground clearance. In fact a drop bracket truck will have 1” higher ground clearance vs a non drop bracket with aftermarket skid plates. There are detailed photos of this on the 6” thread on TW.

    3. You will regret anything larger than an 18” rim and any tire smaller than a 35 on an 18 if you truly are going to offroad. Just not enough sidewall to gain aired down traction.

    4. Get the BDS kit with the Fox CO’s, it is hands down the best performing DB kit on the market.

    5. If you are going to offroad do not use the blocks in the rear, order a custom leaf pack from someone like Deaver or Alcan. A 4” lifted leaf pack will sit level with a 6” lift in the front because the truck has a 2” rake stock.

    6. You do not need aftermarket UCA’s with a DB kit because the stock geometry is maintained with a DB kit. You do not need an aftermarket UCA until you start pre loading the CO’s for additional lift on top of the 6” the DB gives you.

    All of that being said IMO you are far better off in the long run spending that money on aftermarket lca and uca’s and good co’s or even a +2 lt kit. The 6” DB achieves nothing but looks and crown over clearance.
     
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  7. Jun 26, 2020 at 3:18 PM
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    If I'm understanding you correctly, or if not I apologize.. But If I go with the BDS + Fox CO's + 18" & 35's - Use a custom 4" leaf pack instead of the provided back equipment that comes with the BDS DB kit, and don't use the aftermarket UCA's until I need to pre-load the CO's due to either added weight from gear on the vehicle, or if I'm looking to go higher than the 6" lift the BDS DB Kit already achieves right?

    With that being said, your last statement has me a little confused.. being that for the intended purpose of off road, I'd be better off getting LCA's, UCA's, and 3" CO's with a 2" lift kit because the BDS DB kit although provides clearance, does no good otherwise for the intended purpose of off road driving?
     
  8. Jun 26, 2020 at 3:24 PM
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    IMO customoffsets.com folks definitely seem to like super wide wheels that poke 5" from the truck. Not to mention that the spindles usually kick the wheels out even further.
     
  9. Jun 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM
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    I've seen a lot of those - The stance in particular is not what I'm looking for. I don't mind the tire poking out maybe 1" at most but even then it would depend on the rubber paired together.
     
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    yes & yes - but i meant a +2” long travel arms kit not a 2” lift
     
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    Just to clarify so that I don't go off assuming anything, what is the difference between the DB kit, and the long travel arm suspension setup? I know the BD kit requires chopping, what about the the long travel setup? Difference in ride as a daily and off roading compared to the DB kit? I've read very little about them so far, I work 12-16 hour days and the long travel arm kits are new to me.

    also are these kits sometimes referred to as baja suspension kits?

    I know it may be a lot to explain, and if its easier is there any links that would point me towards looking into the setups, and or would have more information regarding the long travel suspension setups?
     
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    Long travel (LT) is 2-3x the cost and maintenance as normal aftermarket kits. And the benefits are not really used by even most off-roaders. Really mostly useful for high speed driving. Wouldn’t consider it unless you’re doing that.
     
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    Now see this is what is wrong with the internet...to many opinions and uneducated responses...

    BDS 6” kit w/ Fox CO’s = $3500

    Total Chaos +2” LT kit $3000 + coil overs $1500 + axles $600 =$5100

    Now, I’m not a math whiz but that is hardly 2-3x the cost...

    A +2” kit is a perfect way to gain a couple inches of track width = decreased COG = increased stability, a bit of lift = more ground clearance from the longer arms and a couple inches of increased suspension travel *while also getting rid of the very weak OE control arms that tend to fail spectacularly. Extra travel is great for trail running not just for go fast driving although a well tuned +2” kit will definitely surprise you in the go fast stuff too.

    Aftermarket LCA’s and UCA’s also gain the advantage of stronger but easily serviceable bushings and stronger but easily replaceable uniballs.
     
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    Does that LT price include rear suspension?
     
  15. Jun 26, 2020 at 6:14 PM
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    the BDS kit actually comes to $4,650 with the adjustable coil overs and the tacoma UCA`s. and a 5% discount.

    So as far as price goes its relatively close from what I'm able to see; labor on the other hand would be totally different. Of course the prices can vary depending on brand, quality, stage etc.
     
  16. Jun 26, 2020 at 8:52 PM
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    I can understand where you're coming from as far as a price point. Looking further into it, for it to be done properly. Front LT is around $3,364.85, Rear LT is around $3,365.27 totaling an estimated $ 6,730.12.

    Now factoring in the additional cost of the front coil overs, considering "2.5" long travel specific coil over shocks bolt into the factory coil bucket location. However the extended travel shocks are too short and will not work." requires specific non-extended coil overs at an estimated $2,016.44 for Blistein 8812's.

    On top of that the TC 4340 heat treated 4130 custom extended axles, which are not included in the kit itself, but required for an additional cost of $665.65.

    so far we're sitting at $9,412.21.

    Now after all that we need to go with a different set of wheels and tires for an average going rate of around $2,300 for a set of wheels, tires, +- a couple hundred if you're including the spare. Finally with our total sitting at roughly $11,712.21, not including the purchase tax, and then labor if taking it to the shop‬.

    So you're right in that its more expensive no doubt about that, and I agree with you. There is although the defining factor of what purpose are we trying to achieve, and how many times are we willing to "re-do" expensive work just to get it done right, and for intended uses?

    To do this ALL at once - yea that's a chunk of good pennies to drop down, which I'm certain most of the owners here would cringe at doing the whole thing in one shot.
    The question I have is - can this be done in sections at a time, over time to achieve the complete build, and if so - what would be the best approach in doing so?
     
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    I'd recommend doing gears as well if you are doing 35's.
     
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    Yes, I agree that a re-gear would be needed! 4.88 or 5.29's. depending on total setback for the suspension - I may go with 33's and upgrade to 35's + re-gear down the road.
     

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