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Noelie84 · Jul 9, 2020

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Oh man, it would take an act of congress to empty my sled trailer. All my ice fishing gear is in there and it becomes a storage shed for the summer.
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I wasn't serious anyway; I've already got a rental lined up that I'm picking up on my way North tomorrow after work.
Cassie's uncle has an enclosed trailer and it's the same way; during the summer he just parks it behind his house and leaves the sleds, spare tanks, etc. in the trailer rather than cluttering up his garage with it.

Spare Parts · Jul 9, 2020

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I'm basically a painter/ landscaper now. Picked up a free used swingset about a month ago. Replaced a few boards, replaced the deck framing and re-decked with composite, then stripped and stained the whole thing. Wife found some cheap used turf from a soccer facility that was replacing it during the 'Rona. After moving 2000# of commercial grade turf ( pro tip reciprocating saw with metal blade cuts through the thick rubber like butter...) the kids play area is no longer a mud pit anytime it rains. Now the wife wants to do the whole yard in turf...
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Do a little research on cancer and turf. The little rubber balls end up in your shoes, and some where I read they have linked it to be cancer causing, it may have only been in California thou.

Noelie84 · Jul 9, 2020

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Do a little research on cancer and turf. The little rubber balls end up in your shoes, and some where I read they have linked it to be cancer causing, it may have only been in California thou.
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Looks like he's just using the carpet, rather than the full system.

TreeFortRichard · Jul 9, 2020

Spare Parts said: ↑

Do a little research on cancer and turf. The little rubber balls end up in your shoes, and some where I read they have linked it to be cancer causing, it may have only been in California thou.
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We were testing the turf and additives way back in like 2000, 2001 and finding Cadmium and Lead in it...The black rubber 'softeners' they add to the athletic fields were, at the time, made out of lovely recycled auto tires...you know, clean, healthy car tires...There's nothing healthier than rolling around in a pile of old tires...Honestly I have no idea how something like that gets from concept to use when they could have used soooo many other inert substances...But hey, "It's recycled" so we're saving the world...Except now all those old fields are piling up with no place to put them...

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The Dangerous Pileup of Artificial Turf
Marjie Lundstrom, Eli Wolfe, FairWarning
16-21 minutes
Recycling scrap tires into synthetic turf was supposed to be an environmental win.

December 19, 2019

Elaine Thompson / AP Photo
Nearly three decades ago, the federal government issued a somber warning.

America’s scrap tires had to go somewhere without gobbling up landfill space. Billions of cast-off tires already had accumulated in ugly stockpiles, and millions more were “scattered in ravines, deserts, woods, and empty lots,” sparking toxic fires that burned for months, the Environmental Protection Agency declared in a 1991 report.

“As costs or difficulties of legal disposal increase, illegal dumping may increase,” the agency said.

But there was hope of a solution, and the EPA was all in. In the ensuing years, agency officials—along with their counterparts in many states—promoted the recycling of scrap tires. Among the most popular options: Grinding up the rubber and using it to make artificial turf, creating a dynamic new industry geared toward delivering perfectly green, cushiony, year-round fields for schools, parks, and sports teams.

Fast-forward to today, when America—which has experienced a coast-to-coast explosion in the installation of thousands of synthetic-turf fields, many made with tire crumb—is facing the same dilemma as in 1991: What to do now with old, worn-out athletic fields, many of them reaching the end of their life span?

Where do the millions of square feet of synthetic turf go to die?

The answer: The same place scrap tires went before—to landfills, rural and urban stockpiles, and “ravines, deserts, woods, and empty lots,” according to a FairWarning investigation.

Despite frequent claims by turf manufacturers that synthetic-turf fields are recyclable and environmentally friendly, FairWarning found that worn-out playing fields and playgrounds have limited second lives. Essentially, synthetic turf is a carpet of plastic, grasslike blades interspersed with sand and pulverized tires, or other infill materials, to give the field stability and shock absorbency.

But the technology to recycle this complex product—separating the plastic grass and backing from the sand-and-rubber infill—still isn’t fully developed in the United States, or is deemed too expensive, according to one industry report and interviews with turf experts.

FairWarning found no state or federal regulations specific to disposal of artificial turf, apart from general waste-management rules. The industry has publicly stated that the disposal burden lies with field owners, who often seek direction from turf vendors or consultants.

Meanwhile, a niche industry has emerged to reclaim some of the nation’s old turf and sell custom pieces to homeowners for landscaping, batting cages, and dog kennels. But the end result is the same: eventually, the stuff is bound for the Dumpster.

The fire threat, lamented by the EPA in its 1991 scrap-tire report, also is creeping back in the age of artificial turf as blazes break out where rolls of discarded playing fields are stashed.

“The government had this problem, and they were looking for a solution,” says Amanda Farber, a Maryland activist and mother who has raised alarms about the potential health risks of artificial turf. “They call this recycling; I would just call it a waste detour.”

“The problem hasn’t gone away,” she says. “It’s just somebody else’s problem.”

An EPA spokeswoman wrote in an email that the agency “encourages the environmentally appropriate beneficial use of secondary materials, including scrap tires.” She said the agency has not studied disposal of turf fields, and has no information about where the waste ends up. That’s up to state and local governments, she said.

The problem is mounting.

The Synthetic Turf Council, the industry’s main trade group, estimates that 12,000 to 13,000 synthetic-turf fields are in the U.S., with some 1,200 to 1,500 new installations a year. The industry’s pitch is that synthetic turf saves on water and eliminates the need for pesticides, fertilizers, and constant mowing. And unlike real grass, the manufactured variety is billed as a year-round surface.

But today, hundreds of fields that were installed in the mid-2000s are at or beyond their estimated eight-to-10-year life spans. Most of these early fields were made with tire crumb, also known as crumb rubber, a product that has come under intense scrutiny in recent years over fears that tiny tire fragments containing heavy metals and chemicals might be dangerous. The Synthetic Turf Council has repeatedly assured the public that these fields are safe.

Now these fields are coming out, en masse. In one 2017 report, the Synthetic Turf Council projected that by the end of the decade, at least 750 fields will be replaced annually. The average field contains approximately 40,000 pounds of plastic carpet and 400,000 pounds of infill, according to the report. This means that as much as 330 million pounds of waste could require disposal every year.

A parallel turf dilemma is unfolding in soccer-loving Europe. Footage from a recent Dutch documentary by the news program Zembla revealed a so-called turf mountain in the Netherlands formed by discarded playing fields, graphically illustrating the enormity of the waste problem overseas.

But one expert who was featured in the documentary said in an email to FairWarning that he believed that the disposal issue is graver on this side of the ocean.

“It is definitely a MUCH bigger problem in America than in Europe,” says Dennis Andersen, owner of Re-Match, a Danish recycling plant that specializes in synthetic turf. “You are not regulated at all with used turf and have massive amounts laying around.”

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Among American turf sellers and promoters, disposal is a touchy topic.

Seven large artificial-turf companies who market their product in this country declined to be interviewed by FairWarning about disposal, or the recycling programs they say they maintain. FieldTurf, based in Montreal and one of the largest synthetic-turf vendors in the U.S., did not answer specific questions but issued a statement, attributed to the Synthetic Turf Council and affirming the STC members’ commitment to sustainability.

“Our members have found many applications for end of life turf that are commonly found in the marketplace, and they are at the forefront of technology that is expanding end-of-life turf applications,” the statement said. STC President Dan Bond did not return FairWarning’s phone calls or answer questions submitted in writing.

Even among environmentalists, disposal of artificial turf has gotten scant attention, but for a vocal group of parents and activists, including many with roots in the Washington, D.C., area. They are alarmed by some studies calling out the potential health risks of crumb rubber and the exposure of young people to cancer-causing chemicals, lead, and other dangerous toxins.

The turf industry, bolstered by hundreds of school districts and sports franchises, has maintained that these alleged health risks are overblown and points to conflicting studies that support the fields’ safety.

Diana Conway, president of the nonprofit Safe Healthy Playing Fields, says crumb rubber is notorious for “migrating,” with the tiny tire pellets sticking to players’ skin and socks and spreading into the nearby environment. While that alleged risk has received widespread media attention, most people give little thought to the sheer weight and volume of refuse involved in disposal of used playing fields, says Conway, a retired attorney from Montgomery County, Maryland.

“You think about the effort you go through to recycle a week’s worth of plastic bottles and plastic bags, and you’re talking millions upon millions of that for a single field,” she said. “It’s staggering.”

Read: The school synthetic-turf wars

Artificial turf has found some diverse resting places. In Montgomery County, one curious resident in July 2018 began following a truck loaded with rolls of used turf from a local high school, later learning that its destination had been a paintball park some 50 miles away. When Amanda Farber visited the location more than a year later, she found the decaying turf still rolled out for use, with some stacked near the edge of the woods—and “tire crumb absolutely everywhere,” she told FairWarning.

In Franklin, Massachusetts, a town of about 33,000 southwest of Boston, a pile of artificial turf and bags of crumb rubber were found abandoned above a wetlands area that helps feed the city’s drinking-water supply. And in Beaumont, Texas, rolls of used crumb-rubber turf removed in 2018 from a school district’s field were later found on an empty residential lot.

In California, artificial turf is big business. The state is home to hundreds of synthetic-turf fields and by one estimate could account for 10 percent of the fields removed nationally each year.

Historically, California has been known as a leader in environmental and recycling programs. But a 2016 consultant’s report prepared for the state on “recycling and reuse” of crumb-rubber fields indicates that most of them are actually going to the dump.

“Anecdotally,” the report stated, “it appears that in practice landfill disposal is by far the most common method for managing field components after removal, and no complete examples of an actual recycling project for the components of a removed field in California were identified.”

Prepared for CalRecycle, part of the state’s Environmental Protection Agency, the report found that “markets for recycled crumb rubber infill are extremely limited.”

This year, for instance, FairWarning found that four fields from the Los Angeles Unified School District went to landfills, according to district officials.

A CalRecycle spokesman said the state “does not have the authority” to track end-of-life synthetic turf fields, and that “users of this material have no legal obligation to report this information to the state.” Synthetic turf can be legally disposed of in any nonhazardous landfill in California that accepts municipal solid waste, he stated in an email.

But landfilling synthetic turf can be expensive, and costs vary widely among states, experts say. Some field owners, wanting to save money, are reusing some of the old tire-crumb infill in their replacement fields—a trend that is growing in California, according to a 2019 report for CalRecycle.

The degree of interest field owners have in recycling—or even knowing where their old fields are heading—also appears to vary widely.

FairWarning contacted numerous school districts and parks departments in California that had replaced synthetic-turf fields in recent years and found that many had given little thought to the next step.

“Nobody I know of raised that question,” said Scott Davis, director of facilities development at Roseville Joint Union High School District near Sacramento, which replaced two high-school fields. “We just trust that it’s done in a compliant manner.”

Industry experts agree that the ideal solution to turf disposal is recycling. But this is easier said than done.

Each square foot of turf contains multiple layers of materials, stacked like tiramisu. On top is the artificial grass, which is usually made of various polymers. Sprinkled in the grass is infill, usually composed of sand and crumb rubber. Underneath this are more layers of plastic and rubber, often including shock pads and drainage mats.

Separating all these materials is difficult, but industry experts say the hardest part is extracting the sand from the crumb rubber, which is necessary if someone wants to reuse the rubber for something else.

“We keep joking that whoever figures out how to separate the sand and grind it up is going to be a rich person,” said Richard Brangwin, vice president at Ohno Construction, a Seattle-based company that installs and removes synthetic turf.

A handful of companies claim to have cracked the recycling problem. One of them is Re-Match, the company founded in Denmark by Dennis Andersen, a former veteran of the tire-recycling industry. Andersen says he hopes to open turf-recycling plants in California, Pennsylvania, and other states in the next few years.

Andersen’s complex proprietary technique, which is described on his website and by FIFA, the Switzerland-based international soccer association, claims to allow for 99 percent of the turf materials to be recycled. The Synthetic Turf Council has cited Re-Match as evidence that recycling turf is a viable option for the industry, and Andersen’s method has been validated by an international program for verifying new technology. Despite such endorsements, Andersen says, he is struggling to get fields, because many owners still find cheaper and easier ways to get rid of old turf.

While the majority of synthetic turf isn’t being recycled into postconsumer products, a significant amount is being repurposed or reused.

As the artificial-turf industry has boomed over the past decade, it has funneled more and more used turf to a niche collection of companies that specialize in reselling old turf, usually to homeowners for landscaping, but also businesses such as paintball arenas that need large tracts. Turf sellers can be found on Facebook and Craigslist hawking rolls in many cities.

“It’s a neat little business,” says Rich Charland, a turf salesman who operates TurfCycle USA in Temecula, California.

Charland and other salesmen refer to themselves as “artificial-grass recyclers,” a term activists such as Conway regard as misleading because the pieces are destined to be discarded anyway—just like their parent fields. Additionally, she argues, the niche industry is not a long-term solution for keeping up with the massive volume of fields being removed.

Read: Is this the end of recycling?

“There aren’t enough batting cages in the world to take this much stuff,” she said.

Charland says he would like to be able to recycle turf into new products, but currently doesn’t have the technology.

“Our first goal is to keep the material out of the landfill; that’s our goal,” Charland says. “[But] everything has an end of life, unfortunately.”

Synthetic-turf fields are also linked to a problem long associated with waste tires: fires.

In September, downed power lines set fire to a stockpile of turf in Woodland, California. In June, a fire in Lacey, Washington, consumed an eight-foot-tall stack of turf near a forest.

Last year, a grass fire that ignited rolls of artificial turf stored on property in Sutter County, California, sent up thick billows of black smoke that prompted a small evacuation. County Fire Chief John Shalowitz says the owner was planning to use the turf on his own property when an electrical line on adjacent land sparked a fire that spread to the turf. The fire took two days to extinguish and burned 150 acres, he says.

“It’s hard to put out,” Shalowitz says. “It’s plastic and rubber, so it puts lots of irritants into the air.

“It’s nasty stuff when it’s burning. It’s just like having a tire fire.”

As for the safety of crumb-rubber playing fields, the debate rages on.

After several state and federal studies found minimal health risks associated with fields made with scrap tires—research that was criticized by some as faulty and limited in scope—the EPA began backing away from such assurances a few years ago.

Earlier this year, the EPA released the first part of the crumb-rubber research study begun in 2016, along with the Consumer Product Safety Commission and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In that July installment, the EPA and CDC reported on the chemicals found in a sampling of synthetic-turf fields, but they have not addressed whether they pose any health risks.

California officials are heading up their own eagerly awaited study on the potential health effects of playing fields and playground mats made with recycled tires. The report—the release of which has been repeatedly delayed—is now scheduled for next year.

With no definitive answers for parents and players gathered under the Friday-night lights, some schools and parks have turned to organic infill, such as coconut and cork.

But the disposal issues remain almost universally ignored.

In Maryland, the state legislator Mary Lehman tried this year to win passage of what she believes would have been the nation’s first state law ensuring safe disposal of synthetic-turf fields. She withdrew the bill, but said she plans to reintroduce a measure next year to require a “chain-of-custody” disclosure for every field removed. She said she also is examining the possibility of shifting disposal responsibility back to turf producers.

At a hearing earlier this year, industry representatives attacked the Lehman bill, arguing it was impractical and unfriendly to business.

Said Lehman: “We’ve got to get something on the books. You can’t hold anybody accountable.”

This story was produced by FairWarning (www.fairwarning.org), a nonprofit news organization based in Southern California that focuses on public-health, consumer, and environmental issues.

We want to hear what you think about this article. Submit a letter to the editor or write to letters@theatlantic.com.

Marjie Lundstrom is the Deputy Editor of FairWarning, a nonprofit news organization based in Southern California

Eli Wolfe is a staff writer for FairWarning, a nonprofit news organization based in Southern California.

FairWarning is a nonprofit news organization based in Southern California, that focuses on public health, consumer and environmental issues.
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Even the plastic they used to make the grass had heavy metals in it above the EPA reg limits...
Now they have moved on from testing for heavy metals and find PFAS all in the plastic in the turf...It's basically all just nasty stuff. If it's old enough, maybe the rain has leached out everything it's going to...

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Toxic chemicals are found in blades of artificial turf - The Boston Globe
Yvonne Abraham
7-9 minutes
The test results showed that the turf contained elevated levels of per- and polyfluoroalkyl chemicals known as PFAS, which have been linked to kidney cancer, low infant birth weights, and a range of diseases. The findings have raised concerns about the safety of millions of square feet of artificial turf installed in recent years on public fields and playgrounds across the country.

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“This is huge. It’s the first time that PFAS chemistry used in plastic production has been found in finished consumer products,” said Jeff Gearhart, research director of the Ecology Center, a nonprofit environmental research group based in Michigan that tested the turf. “This finding is maybe the tip of the iceberg. We suspect these PFAS chemicals may be found in other plastic building and consumer products.”

The concentrations of chemicals found in the wetlands near Franklin’s Beaver Field are below current federal and state health guidelines but well above standards some states have recently adopted in light of research suggesting that even low PFAS concentrations in drinking water can be harmful. Concerns about PFAS, called “forever chemicals” because they never fully degrade, have mounted in recent years. Developed in the 1940s, the chemicals have been used in products such as flame retardants, nonstick pans, pizza boxes, clothing, and furniture.

In Franklin, questions about the discarded turf led local environmental activists to send swatches of the turf and water samples for testing. The Ecology Center, working with the New England office of the Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, a Washington D.C.-based advocacy group, found that the swatch of turf from Franklin contained 190 parts per trillion of one of the most common PFAS chemicals, well above federal safety standards for drinking water.

The group recently filed a complaint with state environmental officials about the discarded turf, saying it violated wetland protections. The water samples there contained nearly 10 parts per trillion of the same chemical found in the turf, as well as a combined 40 parts per trillion of two other PFAS chemicals.

Jamie Hellen, the Franklin town administrator, said he had no idea that the old turf was left there or that it was potentially toxic. He said he is waiting for guidance from the state Department of Environmental Protection on how to proceed.

“We will work with DEP to resolve the matter,” he said.

He noted there is no definitive link between the chemicals found in the turf and those in the water. After the Globe inquired about the piles of old turf, crews removed the material within hours.

Tracy Stewart held some runoff by the Beaver Street Field at Chilson Park in Franklin. The Boston Globe/Globe Staff
The Ecology Center also tested samples of turf installed this summer at Oliver Ames High School in Easton and found similarly high levels of another PFAS chemical. In addition, they tested eight other samples of turf blades, which they acquired directly from distributors of artificial turf, and found that all contained high amounts of fluorine, a chemical suggesting the presence of PFAS.

With as many as 1,500 new artificial turf fields installed every year — there are now some 13,000 in the United States, including hundreds in Massachusetts — public health advocates worry the potentially tainted runoff could contaminate water supplies around the country.

“PFAS in synthetic turf should sound alarm bells for all municipalities with these fields,” said Kyla Bennett, science policy director of the Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility. “All turf manufacturers should immediately disclose whether they use PFAS in their manufacturing process.”

A runner on new turf at the Beaver Street Field at Chilson Park, Beaver Street in Franklin. David L Ryan/Globe Staff
The EPA currently recommends municipalities alert the public if two of the most common PFAS chemicals reach 70 parts per trillion in drinking water, and Massachusetts uses the same threshold for five common PFAS chemicals.

But some recent studies have recommended that children not consume water with levels above 1 part per trillion and states such as New Hampshire and New Jersey have adopted stricter standards. Massachusetts is considering adopting a standard similar to one recently enacted in Vermont, advising residents to avoid drinking water if the concentration of six of the chemicals cumulatively reaches 20 parts per trillion.

A DEP spokesman said the agency is reviewing the wetlands complaint regarding Franklin, reaching out to town officials and planning a site visit.

Many communities have installed artificial turf fields because they offer clear advantages over natural grass. They don’t have to be mowed or watered, require no expensive fertilizers, and allow for substantially more playing time.

Dan Bond, president of the Synthetic Turf Council, a trade group for an industry that earns $2.5 billion a year, said repeated studies have shown no elevated health risks from artificial turf, pointing to research by the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the EPA, and state agencies.

“I haven’t seen any other reports that have shown any of these concerns,” Bond said, referring to the PFAS findings.

The owner of one company that produced some of the turf that the group tested was skeptical about the findings.

“We have never heard any concerns about the chemical composition of our product,” said Mike Hall, co-owner of Turf Factory Direct, a Georgia company. “I’d like to have my lawyer look at this.”

Susan Farris, a spokeswoman for Shaw Industries, another Georgia company that sells artificial turf said, “These chemicals are commonly used by synthetic turf manufacturers as a non-stick agent in the manufacturing equipment.”

Given the recent concerns about PFAS, she said, the company has phased out their use in other products, such as flooring and carpeting.

“As new formulations are available to perform the same or similar functions as PFAS chemicals have historically, Shaw has shifted to new ingredients,” she said.

Questions about the safety of artificial turf emerged five years ago when Amy Griffin, a University of Washington soccer coach, cited a large number of goalkeepers who play on turf and had contracted cancer, mainly blood-related lymphomas. By January 2019, her list included 260 young athletes with cancer.

Federal and state officials have said evidence of the health risks is limited. In 2017, a report by the state of Washington found no connection between the incidence of cancer with soccer players and their exposure to artificial turf.

But evidence of elevated PFAS concentrations may change the calculus.

“That is a big concern, since this turf is in many communities and is designed to drain precipitation off the fields, which can carry soluble contaminants into ground water underlying the turf,” said Betsy Southerland, former director of science and technology in the EPA Office of Water during the Obama administration. “Ground water, in turn, can be the direct source of drinking water for private wells and community water systems.”

David Abel can be reached at dabel@globe.com. Follow him on Twitter @davabel.
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Pugga · Jul 9, 2020

New truck, old wheels. Truck finally came home with me today.

Noelie84 · Jul 9, 2020

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New truck, old wheels. Truck finally came home with me today.

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White again?

Racist.

jethro · Jul 9, 2020

Wow, that truck will tow great. Lotsa wheelbase.

Pugga · Jul 9, 2020

Noelie84 said: ↑

White again?

Racist.
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I like my white trucks!

jethro said: ↑

Wow, that truck will tow great. Lotsa wheelbase.
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Yeah, they tow nice. It's the same wheelbase as the other 2 Super Dutys, crew cab with the 6' 9" bed. For some reason it does look pretty long in that photo but yeah, very stable tow vehicle.

mach1man001 · Jul 9, 2020

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White again?
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Yup. That's what he does. He wants his truck to look like everyone else's.

I took out that other part!

Pugga · Jul 9, 2020

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Yup. That's what he does. He wants his truck to look like everyone else's.

I took out that other part!
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Hey, I'm unique, just like everyone else!

LivinLoud · Jul 9, 2020

Haven’t posted in here in a while... went on a little adventure today after I got off work.

hope everyone is doing well

Sloth · Jul 9, 2020

Noelie84 said: ↑

Looks like he's just using the carpet, rather than the full system.
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No, it's the full thing. Little rubber pellets and all. The damn 7.5' x 75' roll was 2000#.

As far as cancer, the sun will probably get them before the rubber. I read about the cancer possibilities, seems like it's mostly a commiefornia warning.

Sloth · Jul 9, 2020

TreeFortRichard said: ↑

We were testing the turf and additives way back in like 2000, 2001 and finding Cadmium and Lead in it...The black rubber 'softeners' they add to the athletic fields were, at the time, made out of lovely recycled auto tires...you know, clean, healthy car tires...There's nothing healthier than rolling around in a pile of old tires...Honestly I have no idea how something like that gets from concept to use when they could have used soooo many other inert substances...But hey, "It's recycled" so we're saving the world...Except now all those old fields are piling up with no place to put them...

Even the plastic they used to make the grass had heavy metals in it above the EPA reg limits...
Now they have moved on from testing for heavy metals and find PFAS all in the plastic in the turf...It's basically all just nasty stuff. If it's old enough, maybe the rain has leached out everything it's going to...
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Interesting. This turf is only 5 years old.

tacobell007 · Jul 9, 2020

Sloth said: ↑

No, it's the full thing. Little rubber pellets and all. The damn 7.5' x 75' roll was 2000#.

As far as cancer, the sun will probably get them before the rubber. I read about the cancer possibilities, seems like it's mostly a commiefornia warning.
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I've played years of lacrosse on the stuff, I'll let you know how it goes. Lol

Pugga · Jul 10, 2020

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I've played years of lacrosse on the stuff, I'll let you know how it goes. Lol
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Same here, lots of soccer hours logged on that crap. Hasn't impacted me... *cough cough* yet!

Fitzwilly · Jul 10, 2020

Y’all got that fancy grass turf, not the rug burn break your ankle shit of the John Smith Bubble of the early-mid 90s.

Pugga · Jul 10, 2020

Sloth said: ↑

No, it's the full thing. Little rubber pellets and all. The damn 7.5' x 75' roll was 2000#.

As far as cancer, the sun will probably get them before the rubber. I read about the cancer possibilities, seems like it's mostly a commiefornia warning.
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Are you going to water it and mow it like the Brady Bunch? I think some places do condition the turf with something similar to fabric softener.

Sloth · Jul 10, 2020

tacobell007 said: ↑

I've played years of lacrosse on the stuff, I'll let you know how it goes. Lol
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Me too. And I spent a lot of time with my face in the turf since I was always one of the smallest on attack.

Sloth · Jul 10, 2020

Pugga said: ↑

Are you going to water it and mow it like the Brady Bunch? I think some places do condition the turf with something similar to fabric softener.
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Obviously. Need to keep it fresh.

Bridge4 · Jul 10, 2020

So is this new 2021 f-150 just a refresh? I thought they were doing a new truck.

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