Enough Already! Your Truck's T, HP and RPM Explained

Question... are you this sarcastic and rude, not to mention ignorant, in real life? Or do you just become that way when your fingers are doing the talking?

 

SMH. Do me a favor... go tow 10K 500 miles through the mountains in your Tacoma. Report back.

 

I think it has plenty for a midsize platform. Just not to tow heavy loads right. Thats when the tundra comes in.

Dont really get your point here.

 

I went on his website and tried to understand all the graphs and "tables" and man, i get nothing. I wish i could understand more how all this tuning works, as i have always been interested in how the engine operates. I even took automotive service tech apprenticeship at some point, after i finished high school. Always have been fascinated by the complex design of the engine, all the parts working perfectly together.

 

I understand your take on Toyota vs Mat tuning this engine. I know it's a risk, but one I'm willing to take.
Lol, he's been beating on his R&D truck with the upcoming OV twin turbo kit for months. Apparently it's still running strong. Compared to that, this N/A tune is small potatoes.

 

I hear you man. Im planning to keep my beast for at least 10, hopefully 15 years. I was always happy with how my truck drove, lots of power. Dont forget, Im coming from 2007 4.slow ranger, haha.

I really would like to drive a tuned taco. @tonered offered a while ago, he is the closest to me, but not the best idea at the moment. Im pretty sure I will get the Vf tune sooner or later, its just not super important for me right now, I want sliders first too bad they cost a fortune here.

 

Fassion is ridiculous FFS!!

He would have to leave his keyboard.

Go troll elsewhere. You offer nothing except exposing what an asshat you are.

 

If it’s any consolation. A new Silverado raced me onto an on ramp yesterday from a dead stop at a left turn arrow. I redlined 3rd gear-still bested him. Truck isn’t fast- but I bet that was a V8 I out performed.

 

Nice. Same thing happened to me with a 5.7 ram. He was surprised that i walked away from him.

Thats why i dont understand the lack of power on 3rd gen complaint, my truck rips. I told my wife that guys on the forum complain about the lack of power and she laughed.

Edit: just noticed you have the MT, right on man.

 

New Silverado's come with 4 Cylinders also.

 

Jesus! How fast were you going lol?
Redline in 2nd is nearly 70mph! Well, it is when you're tuned

 

For me at least, the lack of power complaint mainly comes with the weirdness of the early factory calibrations down low. It's not really about what the hardware can do but rather how much the software would limit reaction to your input.
Throttle delay and inconsistency also made the truck seem "gutless" in certain situations.
In any case, if you like your truck stock, right on man. I believe you like it that way.

 

I forgot about that lol.. 2.7 turbo if I'm not mistaken..

 

I believe it is the 2.7T also, think they use it in several other platforms too.

 

Don't think its a lack of power its where its made. Most engines in trucks are the opposite of ours. Designed for low end power and run out of steam up top. We need to rev ours to the moon to get decent power and thus the complaints of power and trans shifting all the time.

 

I get the earlier calibration comment. I wouldnt mind driving 16-17, so i can understand how it feels like. I really dont mind the stock tune at all, that untill i drive tony's taco, ha!

I can see how some 16-17 MT drivers might not be happy, but when i see 18 and up complaining about no power or no torque, it seems a bit funny to me. A lot of guys say no torque below 3500? Ha, you kidding me?
I tried so many times to undersrand this complaint, i would drive on hills at 2000-2500 and it doesnt struggle at all. I press the pedal a bit, it goes, i press it more, it goes quicker, i floor it and it goes really fast.

I use my second gear all the time in the parking lots and slow speed driving, no pinging or engine lugging. If my wheels are rolling forward, even the slightest, 2nd gear.

I wasnt on tacoma world when i bought my truck and i honestly thought it drove great. Except for a spongy clutch pedal, which i thought it was just new clutch, since i have never bought a brand new vehicle. The other thing i noticed was slow pedal response.

Then i started reading TW and thanks to ADM thread i realized why the clutch felt weird. Did the ADM, wow what a difference. Then i got the latest toyota tune for the 18, drove even better. Do i have just low expectations? Maybe. But i am pretty anal and ocd about how my MT vehicle should perform. I feel very confident driving my truck in traffic or highway, it responds quickly and has good power. A lot of times i need to tell myself to slow the fk down, before i get a ticket. BC is very strict when it comes to speeding.

 

I dont need to rev it to the moon at all to get the power. I shift 2300-2500 normal driving. All engines make peak tq and hp at high rpm, 3.5.is not an exception. For example, look at how high in the rpm range 4.8 vortec's peak hp and tq is achieved. Pretty much same rpms as 3.5. Completely disagree that most truck engines are designed the opposite. Doesels, yes. My 4.0 ranger made peak tq at 4200 and peak hp at 5000, strange right.

Look up v8 engines peak hp and torque and you will see.

Edit: FYI i attached numbers from a 5.7 hemi. Peak tq at 4400 rpm?! How strange.

Guys just repeat the same shit on TW, how this 3.5 needs all that high rpm to make power. Bullshit.

 

Look at at the area below the peak. Your graph for the 5.7 has it making more tq at 1000 RPM than we make it peak. Our engine is soft on the bottom end. It doesn't make over 200 ft pounds of TQ (at the tires) until about 3700 RPM. At 3000 RPM its making a whopping 165 ft pounds. Real stump puller we got.

It makes enough to get by but needs to be revved to make power.

 

I can see it in the 5.7 graph, not sure how accurate it is though, as i pulled up the first one in google.

Of course a v8 will make more torque down low, no question about that. Im not sure about your graph, as i have seen dyno charts from 3.5 on here and it showed it made 80% of its torque at around 2k rpm. It sure feels like it to me, Ill try to find it.

My work van with 4.8 vortec operates 150-200 rpm less than my taco on the same roads with normal driving. If you want that chevy to go fast, you have to let it sing, just like the taco. Thats why i find it a bit funny when guys say that they need to wind up the 3.5 to go fast. Well no shit, you need to get the rpms up of the v8 engine to go fast too. Maybe not as much, but still.

I mean v6s in pick ups are not known to be super torquey down low, but imo the 3.5 in the taco has enough. Maybe because my truck came with 4.30 rear end stock? Probably thats the reason it drives fine to me. I rarely have to go over 3k going up hills, and we have some crazy hills here, never for a second i though i need more torque to make it up those hills. I did drive buddies AT off road with 3.90 gears, and it drove just fine. Mind you, it was like a 10 min drive.

Like i said, maybe i just have low expectations, or i just got lucky with my truck, or is it because of the 4.30 rear end stock. Maybe its all of the above.

 

That graph was from OV Tune thread. I assume if they posted it was legit. Everyone has different expectations. The gearing certainly helps the manuals I'd assume to feel like they have more TQ. I came from a 3.5 ecoboost and that's probably why it was such a shock for me. I knew what I was getting into, and still like my truck, but its weak down low. I don't understand how anyone can feel different about that but again we all have different expectations and experience.