Wyoming B.S. Thread

I don't do instagram so I can't see what you guys do. Are these the images on there?





These pics were sent to be by Matt last January when I was talking to him about rear shocks. This is the kit he was developing for our trucks at that time.

FWIW, the shock pictured is a 10" stroke, 25" extended, 15" compressed and is exactly what I have.

 

Yep, that's it. So it looks like the bottoms are still weld-on like we've all done. I guess having the top be bolt on, still makes it slightly easier...

 

No way I can get 13" of axle/wheel travel.

 

Okay so maybe this is a dumb question that I'm asking, but is it ever possible to get more wheel travel than the length of the shock shaft?

I mean I guess if you mounted the shocks very close to the center of the axle, the wheel could travel more because of angles. But this relocation, along with the rest of us seems to be so close to the end of the axle, that you'd get essentially the same travel as the shaft length.

 

Yes, some springs can allow more travel. But then, the shocks become the limiting factor. Look at Dan's setup. He may be able to pull 13" with his Frankenstein spring pack. For sure he can pull more than us with our Alcan springs.

 

@drr is running C63s, tho, isn’t he? Which means a longer main leaf and thus more potential travel, right?

Seems like most of the rest of us are running setups that still utilize the stock hanger and shackle locations, which seem to only cycle around 10”. I know that’s where I ended up with my AP Expos.

 

But my point was that with 10 in shocks mounted reasonably wide, you are never going to get 13 in of travel... Regardless of your leaf pack. Or am I misunderstanding something?

Drrs shocks are 12-in (I think), so not really apples to apples with our 10-in shocks.

 

If you are measuring travel at the outside of the wheel, then you can get slightly more travel than the length of your shock (assuming mounted inboard), when the axle is fully stuffed on one side and drooped on the other. However I doubt 10" shocks would net 13" wheel travel, maybe 11".

I can get about 13" of wheel travel with the 63's and 12" shocks mounted inboard. Could probably get a bit more if I let the springs go negative, but I have them bumped when they're pretty flat.

 

I think you are correct. A 63" chevy main leaf IIRC.

With a static load, all I can get is 10" of spring travel. But it possible that if I allow the springs to go negative arch, there might be some more in them.

Yeah, that is his solution, run longer shocks because he can. I think he said his ADSs have an 11" stroke.

 

You're missing the angle.

If you angle them in or back enough, you'll get less shock travel in relation to axle travel.

 

That's a good point. From what is shown in the pic, it looks to me like the MCM kit has the shocks angles more than mine are and certainly more than yours are.

 

This brings up the point of "which travel"

I like to to break it down to two different kinds. Wheel travel and vertical axle travel.

Wheel travel can be a bit different when the axle is flexed out and due to it be an extension of where the focal point is it also can be more.


Vertical axle travel is just bump to droop both sides up and down.

 

IMO, vertical axle travel is more important. The geometry changes and you can force different travel by flexing one side or the other, but for all purposes of tuning/mounting/measuring suspension...you do it with vertical up and down travel.

I know i fucked up mounting my shocks the second time because i measured travel by stuffing one side to get compress/droop numbers. Whoops, i get less vertical travel than when measured the other way and the shock became the limiting factor. Obvious? ya now it is. Didn't think that far ahead when i was rewelding it all. Should have tried to get the shock crossmember another inch or so higher (which would have been hard with the bed still on the way I was putting it together the second time

before the CO trip ill need to move my bump stops like, 1.5 - 2" further down for the inevitable uptravel Ill have to stop on the bumpy ass roads

 

This is true if your shocks are inboard of the frame. If you outboard the shocks with the TC or Archive kit, you'll actually need to measure with the axle drooped out on one side and compressed on the other, as that will result in the maximum travel of the shock.

 

and thats due to the shock being closer to the wheel or "wheel travel" i guess at a more 1:1 ratio than it would be in board.

Why i want 12" short bodies for Igor using the TC kit.

 

Sorta correct, but on our leaf setup, vertical travel will always been more due to leaf/shackle binding and twisting the springs. Unless maybe you have orbit eyes.

 

way back when i mounted min i didn't get them inboard enough (seriously off by like 1") and they dont twist in like they should.

dont feel like cutting them off yet

 

Idk about that...

At least on Frank which could be different with the shorter leaf spring mind you, my flex/wheel travel was much more than vertical. Vertically I couldn't drop a tire below the slider but flexed out I could

Probably because the shackles would/could go inverted when flexing.

 

Someone broke into my Land Cruiser last night, they slid open one of the rear slider windows somehow (not super hard to jimmy open I guess) and tried to get the subwoofer out through it, but that's tough considering the heft and size of it. I wish they had reached further and unlocked a door, the thing would've gone ballistic and I'd have been out there in a second, it was parked right in front of the window of the room I was in. God I hate western WA and really any metro area, fucking meth heads.

 

We need Dan and one of his super deluxe sketches.

I bet if you compare apples to apples and measure the axle at the leaf perch to the frame it would be less travel, but it looks like more at the wheel because it's angling down.