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Bilstein 6112

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by KnoxTac0713, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. Aug 11, 2020 at 9:47 PM
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    Same here. In fact I had the 5100's all around for a few years. The ride is similar but the 6112 / 5160's can handle more abuse. What sold me on the 5160's is the added droop by about an inch over the 5100 (verified / measured) without a difference in collapsed length. So no need to extend the bumpstops. Oh and the resi of course
     
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  2. Aug 12, 2020 at 6:30 AM
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    Do you need the Taco lean spacer with the 6112's? or is setting the drivers side on a the next clip going to correct it in itself?

    Do you think i should get 650lb springs instead of 600's with the 80lbs low pro bumper+winch i have on my truck?

    Looking to stay at 2". Sorry if they are some noob questions.
     
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  3. Aug 12, 2020 at 6:59 AM
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    I called Bilstein a while back and they told me a spacer to correct the lean will void the warranty and that their 6112's were not designed to run with a spacer. Thus why one side is a notch higher then the other. With that being said I still experience a lean to the drivers side and setup my suspension the way Bilstein directed me to. It is not a big deal for me as I do not even notice it.

    If you are going to install an 80lb bumper and a winch that's maybe 65lb then yes you would want to run the 650 spring from Bilstein.
     
  4. Aug 12, 2020 at 7:09 AM
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    E-Paz 732NJ

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    Thanks for the info! I was curious because some vendors online im seeing will add the option to add the "lean spacer" to the kit (like Headstrong), and then other vendors do not give you that option at all, so that was throwing me off a little. Kinda figured it would be achieved from the clips but had to ask.

    I've had the bumper installed for almost a year now without the winch. But will be adding the winch eventually. Front OR suspension's starting to feel pretty clapped out @ 60K.
     
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  5. Aug 12, 2020 at 7:39 AM
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    1.5in Bilstein 6112 Front,1in Alcan Leaf Rear with Bill 5100's. Battle Armor side step,bull bar, and rear step.
    Ya with the added weight up front and if you do take your truck on the dirt it sounds likes it's about time for new suspension.
    My plan originally was to keep both sides of the 6112 at the same snap ring setting and add the spacer on the drivers side to compensate. I called up Bilstein to see if this was a good idea and they told me NO! They said their suspension was not designed to be used with any kind of spacer and that the snap ring setting would compensate for the Taco Lean. I followed their directions and I am still getting about .5in lower on my drivers side. I do not notice it at all but if I take out the tape measure I can see the height difference. Bilstein also told me that if I chose to add a spacer any kind of warranty they offered would be voided.
    As far as the 650lb spring upgrade is concerned. With the current setup you have you would be right on the edge of needing to upgrade to the heavier spring. I had about 60lb on the front of my truck with the 6112 included 600lb spring and I did not notice any kind of sagging. Once you get the extra weight of the winch in there you'll be happy you got the 650lb spring. Keep in mind the 650lb spring does add .5in of lift height however that should be just enough to offset the extra weight you have up front. You might find you'll have to play around with the snap ring setting after all the frontal weight is added and the 650lb spring is installed.
     
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  6. Aug 12, 2020 at 9:41 AM
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    E-paz is a second gen unlike you. Second gen 6112's are to be set to the same snap ring setting on each side. Third gens can be staggered from side to side to compensate for lean.
    @E-Paz 732NJ I have your same bumper and a winch. 3rd setting on Bilstein 650 springs should get you to 2 inches.
     
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    Regarding spacers. I’ll take a wild guess but I suspect the compressed length of the 6112 are designed such that you will hit the suspension bump stop before the shock fully compresses. If you add a spacer, then the shock moves down relative to the bump stop and now the shock becomes the bump stop. Bilstein will void the warranty since the shock is not designed to be compressed beyond it’s compression limit
     
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    Plausible.....the spacer is only 1/4" though.
     
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    Probably easier for Bilstein to say no spacers than to say some spacers are ok and some are not.
    I imagine Bilstein built in some margin to allow for normal wear of the bump stop or differences in suspension adjustments and their own assembly tolerance so you may be ok with a 1/4”.spacers but that is just my opinion and do it at your own risk
     
  10. Aug 13, 2020 at 4:16 AM
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    Thank you!! Was gonna hitup that thread to see if anyone else with the Stingray had 6112’s but you’ve answered it.
     
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    Seen many pictures of the rear reservoir hose facing downwards making a smile just notcied that mine are facing upwards making a frown, does it matter what way they’re facing? Sorry for the newbie question. I tried looking at the install directions, unless I overlooked it I didn’t see it. Picture for reference FD6F035A-3725-44E9-8542-D5BDD43C3327.jpg
     
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    It will not matter if the hose is facing up or down. The oil will flow back and forth due to pressure.
     
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    Thanks for your response, I always like to get two opinions so I emailed Bilstein too. This is what I got: AFD11081-C535-4C40-80D3-97415A5B9CD4.jpg Is it as easy as unbolting the reservoir and just flipping the hose? Thanks!
     
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    Yes.

    Do not unbolt the hose from either cylinder.
     
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    Went with 5/4 on the 6112 with Icon Upper Control Arms. What do you think?20200814_074150_resized.jpg 20200814_074115_resized.jpg
     
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    Very clean. :thumbsup: Still looks pretty high, but the rake is good. Is that a prerunner or 4x4?
     
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    Asked Bilstein a bunch of questions pertaining to the 6112 specifically. Pretty disappointed with their response to only half the things I asked. Why would they want to steer me away from the 6112? Because they don’t have it in stock? Lol I’m positive the 6112’s can support extra weight with the 650 springs as others have said/used. Was hoping for a more detailed response

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    if you are sending your question to Bilsteinlifts, then you are not talking to Bilstein. Bilstein lifts is an aftermarket retailer of Bilstein but not affiliated with Bilstein. Without knowing your setup, I can’t say if they are giving you good advice but:

    The Bilstein 650 are marketed for 80-140 lbs extra weight. Don’t know what weight you were asking but a full steel bumper and sliders will put you over that limit and hence they may be directing you to the OME based on Bilstein advertised weight guidelines.

    Doesn’t mean you can’t run the 650, you will get less lift than the a stiffer spring and may want to set to a higher notch to compensate. Ride quality may also suffer since the suspension frequency response may no longer match the damping curve. That is the theory, I’ve got over 200 lbs extra weight in front and a pair of 650 springs waiting in the closet so no first hand experience yet.
     
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    Makes sense!

    I told them my full setup and asked alot of detailed questions and this explains why i got such a general response. I dont have full bumper skids etc though. Just Low pro bumper thats what 75lbs and eventually a winch. So it falls in line with the 650s for sure. But now that i know they are just a retailer i can understand why thats the response i got.
     
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