There’s always that one guy

https://www.aamva.org/uploadedFiles...izedTiresOnAlteredHeightVehicles_Findings.pdf


Yeah, they're perfectly safe.

Between the reduced handling, the increased blind spots, and the massive bumper difference, I keep my distance from such vehicles.

 

Here you go. Really over trying to educate you bro. I get it - you wanna do whatever you wanna do and pretty much fuck the rest of the world. Cool. Have fun out there! I'm not against lifted trucks - AT ALL. FWIW - mine will eventually get lifted. I'm against people unnecessarily putting others at risk of death so they can get a hard-on. By the way... I spent about 11 years pulling mangled kids out of car wrecks, desperately trying to keep from saying to a hysterical mother your son/ daughter is dead because that other driver is an asshole. It's not their fault, take comfort ion that. You should try it once or twice, or a few dozen times. But hey, you do you. Here's a few of the 6 million chances you're taking when you lift a truck to an obnoxious height:


Safety tests conducted by the respected IIHS and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) don’t factor in aftermarket ride heights. So, we have to depend on real-world crash stories to give us an idea of what would happen.

For instance, in a 2015 accident reported in Canada’s National Post, a 53-year-old Canadian school teacher, Michelle Taylor, was killed when a lifted truck, whose teenage driver fell asleep at the wheel, drifted into her lane, crushing the cabin with its massive tires. The lifted truck driver was reportedly unscathed.

A study conducted by the University of Buffalo (New York’s) medical researchers, found “when an SUV hits a car, even if the car has a better crash test rating, its driver was still four times more likely to wind up dead in the collision.”

“In frontal crashes, SUVs tend to ride over shorter passenger vehicles…crushing the occupant of the passenger car,” said the study’s author Dietrich Jehle, a professor of emergency medicine.


There is also this story from Florida’s Flagler Live of a Ford F-350 with what looks to be a lift kit and oversized tires involved in a head-on collision with a Jeep Wrangler. The Ford F-350 driver and passenger had minor injuries while the Jeep Wrangler driver died and her two toddler children were listed in critical condition.


Vehicles involved in the collisions may end up underneath the lifted truck
Aside from increasing their chances of experiencing a rollover accident, drivers with lifted vehicles could put other motorists at serious risk of sustaining catastrophic injuries in the event of a collision. Because the truck is lifted, a vehicle that crashes into the truck could potentially slide underneath the truck. If a vehicle does end up underneath a lifted truck, the following things may occur:

• Blunt force trauma
• External decapitation
• Spinal cord injuries
• Spinal fractures
• Traumatic brain injuries
• Death

The chances of surviving a crash where one vehicle slides under another vehicle are much lower. It is the reason why many large commercial vehicles now have underride guards installed. The purpose of those underride guards is to prevent vehicles from getting lodged underneath those large trucks when accidents happen on the roadway. However, those operating lifted trucks do not have these guards in place, which means they are potentially putting the lives of many other drivers at risk.

 

Think that follows "the law of gross tonnage."

 

LoL. Boat guy??

 

So you dont have numbers? Cool. Didnt think so. We dont need to create laws for EVERY single possible thing that COULD happen. Thats my point.

 

Turns out, hanging your entire argument on numbers that are near impossible to find or may not even exist doesn't automatically make you right. Continuing to harp on someone for not giving you those exact numbers even though they've taken the time to give you lots of other related and pertinent information in an effort to move the discussion forward just makes you look lazy.

Besides, with laws, it comes down to optics, not statistics. If enough people or legislators decide that allowing people to lift their vehicles as idiotically and unsafely as they please is a bad idea, laws will eventually get passed against it. If we, as a community who would like to lift vehicles, want to keep doing things as we please, we should do what we can to stay out of the spotlight, especially when it comes to safety. We can whine about our freedom as much as we want, but our freedom ends where someone else's begins. More specifically, our freedom to do stupid shit to our vehicles will end up yielding to their freedom to be safe driving down the road. Some gruesome photos of a lifted truck with its bumper through some kids head going viral on the internet would _not_ be good, even if its statistically improbable.

As a somewhat related example; this is similar to dumbasses rolling coal. Are the small percentage of diesel owners that modify their trucks in such a way going to have any measurable effect on the environment? Nope, probably not. Is the thing they do a very visual, obnoxious thing that makes them look bad? Yes.
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2020/01/14/epa-launches-crackdown-on-emissions-defeat-device-makers

 

Valiant effort - lead the horse to water but...you know the rest. Glad folks like you still try.

OA

 

We're not, in this case - that of bumper heights and trucks lifted to a ridiculous level... there are 6 million reasons to create a law. 36K of which actually kill people...every year. Have a good night guy. Stay safe - if that doesn't curtail your freedom too much.

 

He would definitely have an issue if he wanted to go thru the drive thru fast food place

 

Navy vet...lol

 

he was probably on the way to a freedom rally

 

Thanks for your service...Army flyer here.

Yeah - now & then we have to cross the channel that leads into Port Miami...never is the law of gross tonnage more evident than when you're about 100 feet away from those giant container ships that literally block out the sun. LoL. 21FT runabout vs 210,000 tons.

 

This was turning into an interesting discussion, but statistics were used for the "all other causes of death" side and emotions, anecdotes and a study saying "vehicles MAY wind up under lifted trucks" was used for the lifted trucks contribute to deaths side. We would need to see something saying X number of lifted/modified vehicles contributed to death, etc, and here's how the lift/modification contributed to the accidents.

 

Is he getting a ticket or is the cop just taking a leak?

 

Judging from the badge under your avatar, you should know a little bit about car accidents. Here's the thing about statistics, you don't need exact numbers to figure out something is just a stupid idea. How many people get hit by lightning every year? The odds are GREATLY in your favor. Is it a good idea to stand in an open field with a 15 foot metal pole, during a thunderstorm? Probably not. How many people are bit by sharks every year? Fewer than those hit by lightning. So is it a good idea to slather yourself in fish guts and jump in the water? Probably not. The only people who really know what happened in this pic are the driver & the cop. For all we know, he was dragging a tree branch, rolled through a stop sign, or any number of reasons. Interestingly enough...I don't see a driver in the truck, and the cop is behind the rear pax door. Maybe someone was stupid enough to win the grand prize - free stay at the county inn, transportation and meal plan included. Who knows?

The whole number height thing was just commentary. As far as emotions go...we're ticking and tacking on a keyboard...emotions??? LMAO.
The whole "we don't need laws for everything...free state" comments were addressed as to why bumper height laws exist...because shit like what I posted actually does happen. You don't really need for something to happen ALL the time to do something to prevent it. Lock your doors at night? Got a CWP? Why? Are you constantly getting robbed? You just need to have a bit of common sense to figure out that adding an extreme element to anything - increases the odds of someone winning the "stupid-game trophy". Sadly, in vehicle accidents, the winner of the stupid game trophy almost always shares the spotlight with someone who wasn't even playing. In case you missed it...see below. You'd have to go collect accident reports and figure it out.

Safety tests conducted by the respected IIHS and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) don’t factor in aftermarket ride heights. So, we have to depend on real-world crash stories to give us an idea of what would happen.

 

Post 21. You listed statistics relating to the far fetched potential causes of death, then gave a figure of 36k MVC deaths a year with no nexus to lifted/modified vehicles while you said you were giving the "odds," but the MVC data is too vague.

I actually do not prefer lifts/big tires, here was a video done by 4WD Action about the handling effects of oversized tires. Short version is larger tires=a disproportionate decrease in braking.

I don't completely disagree with you, you just don't have the facts to make a good, specific argument.

My badge doesnt matter, because if I came in here and said I have seen X number of MVC's, therefore I know best, that's called an argument from authority and is usually not indicative of a fact based position.

 

correct

 

Who at the DMV let him get "GetoBoy" as his plate...? My isnt the truck here. It's more so the bitchy mid 40s women who couldn't climb out that were like we are busy so you have to wait. Excuse me? You're blocking my friends stairs to her apartment and. An emergency vehicle driveway, the fire station is behind the apartment that he parked by. Oh and the sidewalk.. and it's not just a fire lane. It's for EMS vehicles to go the opposite way because the downtown roads are one way. So it allows the station to bypass those roads and get to people faster..

But ya know there's always that one guy

 

nah