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hoarder23 · Aug 13, 2020

CavalryBlue24 said: ↑

awesome! Hey, what is your opinion about JBA UCA’s?

Also, do you guys know anyone who does these installs that would be willing to teach me/let me assist? I would pay labor of course. Just want to learn.
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TrailWorxFab is in Midlothian so right around the corner and Dave is a good dude. Hit him up on Instagram and tell them TW sent you.

Sreppep · Aug 14, 2020

CavalryBlue24 said: ↑

awesome! Hey, what is your opinion about JBA UCA’s?

Also, do you guys know anyone who does these installs that would be willing to teach me/let me assist? I would pay labor of course. Just want to learn.
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IMO if you have 0 experience the best way to assist/learn is gonna be a mod day that Maner aka big daddy hosts at his house on occasion. Plenty of knowledge there, and you’ll definitely learn and get to be hands on. Suspension is easy, only thing you should be paying for is a good alignment.

Nopro · Aug 14, 2020

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Anyone one have a fair shape 285/70/17 they want to get rid of?
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StockerWithALocker · Aug 14, 2020

96° in my garage at 5a today. That was offensive.

Suprajim54 · Aug 14, 2020

CavalryBlue24 said: ↑

Hi there,

I am new to the Tacoma world and wanted to introduce myself as well as ask for some guidance. I live in Waxahachie and finally got my Taco after years and years of being on my wish list. I, by no means, have a lot of knowledge when it comes to mods so needing help from everyone on selecting the best suspension lift for my needs. I have had mixed message from a couple shops and some bad advice that has left me needing to fix a few things.

Please forgive the lengthy message but I feel it is important to share the full story with the shops, different recommendations, etc so you all might be able to guide me in best direction.

I have read SOOOO much on tons of threads but still a little confused as to what is best for me. I feel like I read too much, too fast, and am now more confused lol. I am sure it’s out there somewhere but I haven’t found discussions with my exact set up of 285/70/17 Nitto Ridge Grappler, Fuel Vapor 17x9 -12 offset (I’ll explain that hot mess in a minute). My Taco is a Sport w/2WD 6 cyl auto. I do not off-road but maybe couple times a year and when I do, it is nothing major. Camping, slight rough terrain in the country where my family lives, etc. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to off-road more in the future but that will have to wait a few years.

I want to have a nice, smooth ride on road since this is my daily driver but also have the ability to drive in semi rough terrain like for camping, dirt roads, and family farm with some dips and muddy holes. I LOVE 3” lift but in reality, from everything I’m reading, 2-2.5” is the best fit without getting into too much mods and cost- that is if I understood correctly. I felt like Bilstein 5100 was best option at first, but some are saying it is not a very smooth ride and to consider 6112/ 5160.

So, here is what I have been through with trying to mod but having issues. I was referred to a shop that “specializes” in lifts here in Waxahachie, TX where I live. To what I understood, they are professionals and do nothing but lifts etc. (chain store). I talked with owner and told him I wanted to upgrade my tires and wheels as well as look at suspension lift options. He suggested rough country which was an immediate no for me based off of the many negative reviews. I told him I was interested in Bilstein, maybe 5100 and would also love to do 285/70/17 IF it would fit without major mods like CMC. I also asked if I would need to upgrade UCA if I went with bigger tires and also so I could get correct alignment. He said as long as I go with a 17x9 -12 offset wheel, I will not hit cab mount and don’t need UCA or alignment, but if it does need alignment, they will take care of it. Seemed odd to not need alignment but I thought, well, these guys are professionals and do this every day.

Bilsteins were on backorder so I waited until they came in. Then they called two weeks later and said they were in. Dropped truck off. They put tires and wheels on then called me and said bilsteins weren’t in like they thought so they put roughcountry on temporarily until bilsteins come in. I was NOT happy and immediately went up there. All that was on my truck were $40 spacers on the front. My steering wheel was waaaay off due to alignment. They said I need to take truck to a muffler shop they use for alignments. I had no idea they didn’t do the alignment in house and was not happy. Also, the wheels were rubbing really hard on plastic trim and fender in front which they said they would not. Wheels are VERY close to cab mount as well. Any decent bump, especially full lock, I’m hitting cab mount for sure.

Took truck next day to alignment shop, 20 min later they were done which was odd to me that they completed so quickly. Truck was still pulling to the right pretty hard. Drove right back, told them, and they said it was my tires because steering wheel was centered (it was not centered). Went to back to lift shop, told them what the alignment shop said, and they said no, take to dealer to align. They said it was common for muffler shop to have issue with alignments on lifted trucks. I WAS PISSED. Why the hell would they use them if they aren’t good with lifts????? So, I called Dealer and they said they will only set to factory specs and with my setup, factory settings won’t work.

I decided to take to All Off Performance in North Richland Hills, an hour away, have them look at it, and get opinion on everything. They told me they would have recommended a 17x8.5 with 0 offset wheel instead and the current wheel set up is making rubbing worse. He looked at front end with me turning the wheels hard left and hard right. He showed me that I’m EXTREMELY close to cab mount and may have to do a CMC which I already knew at this point but was glad he was being honest with me. CMC concerned me but he assured me they do them all the time and it is very safe. There is just something that makes me nervous when you mod to that degree. I know a lot of guys on here do CMC but that was the last resort for me.

So, he agreed with me that the Bilstein 5100 is great option for front and back, and suggested adding block in the rear so I’m properly level (I want rear even or slightly higher than front), another alignment, and possibly cmc if still rubbing. I don’t like the idea of a block in the rear. I’m not hauling anything heavy typically but feel I should steer clear of a block. If I do decide to haul something of significant weight, won’t the block be an issue?

I also wonder if I should get UCA due to the larger tires, regardless if I only go 2-2.5”. I just don’t want to tear up my truck that I busted my rear to save up the money and finally get.

Again, I’ve read so much but hoping you guys will look at my specific situation and give me some advice. Which wheels should I be running with 285/70/17 P metric Nitto Ridge Grappler. Also, I don’t have to do Bilstein, but thought it was great option for the price. I love ICON, Fox, and King as well but not sure I can afford them or even need them for what I am doing with my truck. OME I’m hearing mixed reviews, mainly about rear AAL crapping out quickly. I really want to stay at or under $2,500 with installation if at all possible.

I have no clue what shop to trust at this point. Do you guys recommend anyone or is there someone in the taco world community here who does this?

Pricing from each shop:

All Off Perf shop- $1285-$1450 for everything with labor.

Waxahachie shop- $700 with labor (no rear block or cmc) NOT using them but giving price for reference.

Thank you all so much for taking the time to read this. Please don’t brow-beat me. I’m brand new and obviously have a ton to learn I do look forward to getting to know you guys!
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Welcome! If ride quality is your priority, I would suggest going for the Icon Progressive multi-leaf AAL in the rear instead of a single leaf add on. I've used both and the single is definitely a stiffer ride with an empty bed.

Naveronski · Aug 14, 2020

hoarder23 said: ↑

TrailWorxFab is in Midlothian so right around the corner and Dave is a good dude. Hit him up on Instagram and tell them TW sent you.
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Agreed, I like Dave.

SuperBad · Aug 14, 2020

CavalryBlue24 said: ↑

Hi there,

I am new to the Tacoma world and wanted to introduce myself as well as ask for some guidance. I live in Waxahachie and finally got my Taco after years and years of being on my wish list. I, by no means, have a lot of knowledge when it comes to mods so needing help from everyone on selecting the best suspension lift for my needs. I have had mixed message from a couple shops and some bad advice that has left me needing to fix a few things.

Please forgive the lengthy message but I feel it is important to share the full story with the shops, different recommendations, etc so you all might be able to guide me in best direction.

I have read SOOOO much on tons of threads but still a little confused as to what is best for me. I feel like I read too much, too fast, and am now more confused lol. I am sure it’s out there somewhere but I haven’t found discussions with my exact set up of 285/70/17 Nitto Ridge Grappler, Fuel Vapor 17x9 -12 offset (I’ll explain that hot mess in a minute). My Taco is a Sport w/2WD 6 cyl auto. I do not off-road but maybe couple times a year and when I do, it is nothing major. Camping, slight rough terrain in the country where my family lives, etc. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to off-road more in the future but that will have to wait a few years.

I want to have a nice, smooth ride on road since this is my daily driver but also have the ability to drive in semi rough terrain like for camping, dirt roads, and family farm with some dips and muddy holes. I LOVE 3” lift but in reality, from everything I’m reading, 2-2.5” is the best fit without getting into too much mods and cost- that is if I understood correctly. I felt like Bilstein 5100 was best option at first, but some are saying it is not a very smooth ride and to consider 6112/ 5160.

So, here is what I have been through with trying to mod but having issues. I was referred to a shop that “specializes” in lifts here in Waxahachie, TX where I live. To what I understood, they are professionals and do nothing but lifts etc. (chain store). I talked with owner and told him I wanted to upgrade my tires and wheels as well as look at suspension lift options. He suggested rough country which was an immediate no for me based off of the many negative reviews. I told him I was interested in Bilstein, maybe 5100 and would also love to do 285/70/17 IF it would fit without major mods like CMC. I also asked if I would need to upgrade UCA if I went with bigger tires and also so I could get correct alignment. He said as long as I go with a 17x9 -12 offset wheel, I will not hit cab mount and don’t need UCA or alignment, but if it does need alignment, they will take care of it. Seemed odd to not need alignment but I thought, well, these guys are professionals and do this every day.

Bilsteins were on backorder so I waited until they came in. Then they called two weeks later and said they were in. Dropped truck off. They put tires and wheels on then called me and said bilsteins weren’t in like they thought so they put roughcountry on temporarily until bilsteins come in. I was NOT happy and immediately went up there. All that was on my truck were $40 spacers on the front. My steering wheel was waaaay off due to alignment. They said I need to take truck to a muffler shop they use for alignments. I had no idea they didn’t do the alignment in house and was not happy. Also, the wheels were rubbing really hard on plastic trim and fender in front which they said they would not. Wheels are VERY close to cab mount as well. Any decent bump, especially full lock, I’m hitting cab mount for sure.

Took truck next day to alignment shop, 20 min later they were done which was odd to me that they completed so quickly. Truck was still pulling to the right pretty hard. Drove right back, told them, and they said it was my tires because steering wheel was centered (it was not centered). Went to back to lift shop, told them what the alignment shop said, and they said no, take to dealer to align. They said it was common for muffler shop to have issue with alignments on lifted trucks. I WAS PISSED. Why the hell would they use them if they aren’t good with lifts????? So, I called Dealer and they said they will only set to factory specs and with my setup, factory settings won’t work.

I decided to take to All Off Performance in North Richland Hills, an hour away, have them look at it, and get opinion on everything. They told me they would have recommended a 17x8.5 with 0 offset wheel instead and the current wheel set up is making rubbing worse. He looked at front end with me turning the wheels hard left and hard right. He showed me that I’m EXTREMELY close to cab mount and may have to do a CMC which I already knew at this point but was glad he was being honest with me. CMC concerned me but he assured me they do them all the time and it is very safe. There is just something that makes me nervous when you mod to that degree. I know a lot of guys on here do CMC but that was the last resort for me.

So, he agreed with me that the Bilstein 5100 is great option for front and back, and suggested adding block in the rear so I’m properly level (I want rear even or slightly higher than front), another alignment, and possibly cmc if still rubbing. I don’t like the idea of a block in the rear. I’m not hauling anything heavy typically but feel I should steer clear of a block. If I do decide to haul something of significant weight, won’t the block be an issue?

I also wonder if I should get UCA due to the larger tires, regardless if I only go 2-2.5”. I just don’t want to tear up my truck that I busted my rear to save up the money and finally get.

Again, I’ve read so much but hoping you guys will look at my specific situation and give me some advice. Which wheels should I be running with 285/70/17 P metric Nitto Ridge Grappler. Also, I don’t have to do Bilstein, but thought it was great option for the price. I love ICON, Fox, and King as well but not sure I can afford them or even need them for what I am doing with my truck. OME I’m hearing mixed reviews, mainly about rear AAL crapping out quickly. I really want to stay at or under $2,500 with installation if at all possible.

I have no clue what shop to trust at this point. Do you guys recommend anyone or is there someone in the taco world community here who does this?

Pricing from each shop:

All Off Perf shop- $1285-$1450 for everything with labor.

Waxahachie shop- $700 with labor (no rear block or cmc) NOT using them but giving price for reference.

Thank you all so much for taking the time to read this. Please don’t brow-beat me. I’m brand new and obviously have a ton to learn I do look forward to getting to know you guys!
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That does not sound fun. You've been given a lot of good responses already. CMC is no big deal and fairly easy. Do you have the 5100's yet? They'll be fine and get the job done but I agree that getting better springs for lift is a pretty good ideal for ride quality. For the rear the recommended leafs are good but if it was my truck for you use the block isnt a bad option for the rear. Keeps the stock ride and flex but gives you the height. I would def. recommend Tandem Offroad in Holtam city. They are a Toyota specific offroad shop that knows their business and does great work.

Goose8651 · Aug 14, 2020

CavalryBlue24 said: ↑

Hi there,

I am new to the Tacoma world and wanted to introduce myself as well as ask for some guidance. I live in Waxahachie and finally got my Taco after years and years of being on my wish list. I, by no means, have a lot of knowledge when it comes to mods so needing help from everyone on selecting the best suspension lift for my needs. I have had mixed message from a couple shops and some bad advice that has left me needing to fix a few things.

Please forgive the lengthy message but I feel it is important to share the full story with the shops, different recommendations, etc so you all might be able to guide me in best direction.

I have read SOOOO much on tons of threads but still a little confused as to what is best for me. I feel like I read too much, too fast, and am now more confused lol. I am sure it’s out there somewhere but I haven’t found discussions with my exact set up of 285/70/17 Nitto Ridge Grappler, Fuel Vapor 17x9 -12 offset (I’ll explain that hot mess in a minute). My Taco is a Sport w/2WD 6 cyl auto. I do not off-road but maybe couple times a year and when I do, it is nothing major. Camping, slight rough terrain in the country where my family lives, etc. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to off-road more in the future but that will have to wait a few years.

I want to have a nice, smooth ride on road since this is my daily driver but also have the ability to drive in semi rough terrain like for camping, dirt roads, and family farm with some dips and muddy holes. I LOVE 3” lift but in reality, from everything I’m reading, 2-2.5” is the best fit without getting into too much mods and cost- that is if I understood correctly. I felt like Bilstein 5100 was best option at first, but some are saying it is not a very smooth ride and to consider 6112/ 5160.

So, here is what I have been through with trying to mod but having issues. I was referred to a shop that “specializes” in lifts here in Waxahachie, TX where I live. To what I understood, they are professionals and do nothing but lifts etc. (chain store). I talked with owner and told him I wanted to upgrade my tires and wheels as well as look at suspension lift options. He suggested rough country which was an immediate no for me based off of the many negative reviews. I told him I was interested in Bilstein, maybe 5100 and would also love to do 285/70/17 IF it would fit without major mods like CMC. I also asked if I would need to upgrade UCA if I went with bigger tires and also so I could get correct alignment. He said as long as I go with a 17x9 -12 offset wheel, I will not hit cab mount and don’t need UCA or alignment, but if it does need alignment, they will take care of it. Seemed odd to not need alignment but I thought, well, these guys are professionals and do this every day.

Bilsteins were on backorder so I waited until they came in. Then they called two weeks later and said they were in. Dropped truck off. They put tires and wheels on then called me and said bilsteins weren’t in like they thought so they put roughcountry on temporarily until bilsteins come in. I was NOT happy and immediately went up there. All that was on my truck were $40 spacers on the front. My steering wheel was waaaay off due to alignment. They said I need to take truck to a muffler shop they use for alignments. I had no idea they didn’t do the alignment in house and was not happy. Also, the wheels were rubbing really hard on plastic trim and fender in front which they said they would not. Wheels are VERY close to cab mount as well. Any decent bump, especially full lock, I’m hitting cab mount for sure.

Took truck next day to alignment shop, 20 min later they were done which was odd to me that they completed so quickly. Truck was still pulling to the right pretty hard. Drove right back, told them, and they said it was my tires because steering wheel was centered (it was not centered). Went to back to lift shop, told them what the alignment shop said, and they said no, take to dealer to align. They said it was common for muffler shop to have issue with alignments on lifted trucks. I WAS PISSED. Why the hell would they use them if they aren’t good with lifts????? So, I called Dealer and they said they will only set to factory specs and with my setup, factory settings won’t work.

I decided to take to All Off Performance in North Richland Hills, an hour away, have them look at it, and get opinion on everything. They told me they would have recommended a 17x8.5 with 0 offset wheel instead and the current wheel set up is making rubbing worse. He looked at front end with me turning the wheels hard left and hard right. He showed me that I’m EXTREMELY close to cab mount and may have to do a CMC which I already knew at this point but was glad he was being honest with me. CMC concerned me but he assured me they do them all the time and it is very safe. There is just something that makes me nervous when you mod to that degree. I know a lot of guys on here do CMC but that was the last resort for me.

So, he agreed with me that the Bilstein 5100 is great option for front and back, and suggested adding block in the rear so I’m properly level (I want rear even or slightly higher than front), another alignment, and possibly cmc if still rubbing. I don’t like the idea of a block in the rear. I’m not hauling anything heavy typically but feel I should steer clear of a block. If I do decide to haul something of significant weight, won’t the block be an issue?

I also wonder if I should get UCA due to the larger tires, regardless if I only go 2-2.5”. I just don’t want to tear up my truck that I busted my rear to save up the money and finally get.

Again, I’ve read so much but hoping you guys will look at my specific situation and give me some advice. Which wheels should I be running with 285/70/17 P metric Nitto Ridge Grappler. Also, I don’t have to do Bilstein, but thought it was great option for the price. I love ICON, Fox, and King as well but not sure I can afford them or even need them for what I am doing with my truck. OME I’m hearing mixed reviews, mainly about rear AAL crapping out quickly. I really want to stay at or under $2,500 with installation if at all possible.

I have no clue what shop to trust at this point. Do you guys recommend anyone or is there someone in the taco world community here who does this?

Pricing from each shop:

All Off Perf shop- $1285-$1450 for everything with labor.

Waxahachie shop- $700 with labor (no rear block or cmc) NOT using them but giving price for reference.

Thank you all so much for taking the time to read this. Please don’t brow-beat me. I’m brand new and obviously have a ton to learn I do look forward to getting to know you guys!
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I have a set of Icon Extended coilovers for the front if you’re interested up for sale. They have less than 15k miles on them. I upgraded to a larger spring and reservoirs, so don’t need them anymore.

Naveronski · Aug 14, 2020

Goose8651 said: ↑

I have a set of Icon Extended coilovers for the front if you’re interested up for sale. They have less than 15k miles on them. I upgraded to a larger spring and reservoirs, so don’t need them anymore.

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@CavalryBlue24 Good deal, depending on his price.

Suprajim54 · Aug 14, 2020

Naveronski said: ↑

Good deal, depending on his price.
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Sorry, I had to

Naveronski · Aug 14, 2020

Suprajim54 said: ↑

Sorry, I had to
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Sreppep · Aug 14, 2020

Goose8651 said: ↑

I have a set of Icon Extended coilovers for the front if you’re interested up for sale. They have less than 15k miles on them. I upgraded to a larger spring and reservoirs, so don’t need them anymore.

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They’re posted on CL for $600, these would fit my 05 4runner? I havnt done my research yet lol

2002Tacoma4x4 · Aug 14, 2020

Beef Nachos said: ↑

Don’t pay for an install, plenty of people on here (including myself) will help for pizza and beer. 5100s Will feel slightly stiffer than your stock suspension, but the sport is the stiffest of all the trims. You will want coils as not to preload your stock ones by adjusting the strut (OME 887 is what I would recommend). You can purchase the whole shebang from Headstrong Offroad and get free shipping. Get an AAL for the rear (I’ll sell you mine cheap as soon as I pull it from @ohwhale.taco ’s truck next week, if you’re interested). Tandem does the best alignments based on reviews and personal experience.
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Wow... such of nice people in DFW
Im happy to read that Help is available for the installation... i just know how to open a beer and use pizzahut app to order..... that gives me room to dream on a Fox set all around and leaf springs whenever i get that kind of money together... IDK if that would be the lowest and smoothest close to Stock high option... but we’ll figure it out when time comes

Nice to see people willing to help !!

CavalryBlue24 · Aug 14, 2020

Sreppep said: ↑

IMO if you have 0 experience the best way to assist/learn is gonna be a mod day that Maner aka big daddy hosts at his house on occasion. Plenty of knowledge there, and you’ll definitely learn and get to be hands on. Suspension is easy, only thing you should be paying for is a good alignment.
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That sounds awesome!!!! When are “mod days” at big daddy’s?

CavalryBlue24 · Aug 14, 2020

Goose8651 said: ↑

I have a set of Icon Extended coilovers for the front if you’re interested up for sale. They have less than 15k miles on them. I upgraded to a larger spring and reservoirs, so don’t need them anymore.

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$600 for the set you said? If so, please message me your contact info!

Goose8651 · Aug 14, 2020

CavalryBlue24 said: ↑

$600 for the set you said? If so, please message me your contact info!
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PM sent

Sreppep · Aug 14, 2020

CavalryBlue24 said: ↑

$600 for the set you said? If so, please message me your contact info!
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If you don’t buy them and they fit my 4runner I might be interested.

I really need to focus on my tacos suspension for though lol

Beef Nachos · Aug 14, 2020

CavalryBlue24 said: ↑

That sounds awesome!!!! When are “mod days” at big daddy’s?
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@Bigdaddy4760 is the jam. Occasionally a group will head to his place to knock a bunch of work out all at once. You’ll see posts and what not. Gather all of your components and stay active in the thread.

Silverspool · Aug 14, 2020

Finally joined the 285 club

Suprajim54 · Aug 14, 2020

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Finally joined the 285 club

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