Rear bumper fender bender

Beer for you as well.

 

Im 40. First ever online semi flame war. Its fun. This likly be my last lol

 

I am referring the general concept that stiffer cars are generally not as safe as less stiff ones. I don't see why I need to disassemble my rear bumper to learn anything about that concept. I linked the article because it discusses that concept in the context of one safety device (the crumple zone) and then quoted a relevant section for added clarity . I never said the Tacoma has a crumple zone. Perhaps what you are getting at is that since the Tacoma uses a body on frame construction, adding a steel rear bumper doesn't make it significantly less stiff. You might be right, but I'm betting you're probably wrong. I'm not sure I care enough to find a specific cash test result or do the test myself. Perhaps you could explain yourself better rather than insulting people.

 

honestly thinking about it. The truck has to told weight in the bed and only 2 bars (frame rails) have to do ALL the work unlike a unibody frame.

Haw can the truck hold weight / tow when trasfering force though the rails that are made week for crumple zones. Its not like thier is a web of steel like any other type of car to distribute the force around a wider area.

When you see a small truck like ours hit or tow a trailer at odd angles offroad the middle of truck bends up.


Btw. Mechanical engineer which is why i cant spell or type. But i will take that beer

 

Please see my above post. No insults given!

 

Ya I think you have valid points. I've vaguely remember reading before that body-on-frame vehicles don't do as well in crash tests.

 

Trucks do well as my truck took out 2 cars based on weight and they are high. Both impacts i had hit above there bumper.

But the car that goes into reverse on impact loses. Lot more force giong from 40 to -10 then from 40 to 10

Why smaller the car generally higher deathrate. Granted better the built car can help the odds (moden cars with crumple zones)

 

and with all that being said

Fab four steel bumper for the win! Just remember you wife will Kill you if you just tap her car lol

Back up carefully lol

 

But remember, the better your truck crumples, the safer everyone else is. I think that is in part why crash tests generally involve only one vehicle.

 

I apologize if you think I'm being pissy toward you. I'm not asking you to disassemble your bumper, just to merely take a gander under there to see what's going on. If you do you will see that there is already a steel bumper(for all tense and purposes) mounted directly to the frame. Mounted in the same spot as most after market steel bumpers. When these trucks get rear ended nearly all of the force is taken by that bar and then transferred to the frame. If the force is great enough the frame bends just behind the spring hangers.

 

Exactly. I can't think of a single truck(Ridgelines aren't trucks) that has a rear crumple zone.

 

i scene small trucks bend in middle...but my experance is frankly low. Know gladiator has a hump thier as a crumple zone. That area we also switch to full box frame

 

I think one mistake we could be making is assuming a crumple zone is something you can easily identify. A crumple zone could also be a choice of frame part strength that allows it to withstand deformation near the passengers but allow it away from the passengers. That could partly explain why people often complain about flimsy Tacoma frames flexing too much.

 

I don’t know why you are asking me this, but yes I’m fairly familiar with the construction of my truck. I’ve installed shocks, UCAs, leaf packs, and skid plate on my truck and have watched more than one video on front and rear bumper installation because I have tentative plans to upgrade them.

You don’t think that upgrading the front and rear bumpers won’t make the truck stiffer and thus possibly less safe in an accident? Do you have any evidence of this? I think it’s possible that in a rear collision that it might be a negligible difference, but I don’t know that. Toyota designed the truck without steel bumpers for possibly more reasons than just cost savings.

 

Front i dont want steel and i agree with you 100 percent. I want crumple and i want to walk, hop, dance, anything away.

Rear. With 60plus inches of bed and no real crumple zones anyway i want steel.

After being hit at stop lights by idiots on thier phone twice. They are risking thier own lives and im sad to say i care a hole lot less about them and thier safety. Tired pf going to the shop to fix the coke can plastic that cost 3k in parts and 3k in work and takes 3 week. This during the hot part pf pandemoc in ny..

Both hits with a steel bumper i have 0 damage but the exact same stiff neck.

 

Ill also add at this time my son was rear facing. Thank god was not in the car. For him hit from rear could kill... You drive onto the back of someone as your texting. My concern drops quite alot

 

I never said anything about the front bumper. That's an entirely different ball of wax. And yes I think adding a steel bumper to the front would drastically diminish the crash worthyness, but they look so good. But for the rear bumper you're just swapping one piece of steel for another. As for why Toyota designed it that way? Beats the hell out of me. Could be cost savings, weight reduction, matching the plastic on the front, the modular aspect of being able to replace pieces and not the whole thing.

 

side note... for daily driver like mine. which is never off road (beach maybe) and a highway truck. think the front bumper is just full poser. get a lot of that in northeast. Huge rigs NEVER used. where the hell we going to go??? kmart curb hoppin lol

If you USE IT. ok then they look badass. (overland rigs that are actually used)

 

Certainly an aftermarket steel bumper is sturdier than the stock bumper. If that was not true, wouldn’t that defeat the primary reason people install them? Maybe you are just saying the difference in a crash is negligible. You could be right.

 

Ya i tend to agree. I do take mine off road enough to have already cracked the chrome end cap on my rear bumper when backing down a steep slope.