2nd Gen Tire Rub - Shock Upgrade

Hey Guys,

Long time creeper, first time poster! 2012, Double Cab, v6, 4x4 with a whopping 210K miles.

SO, couple things at play here;

The first thing is: I was already suspecting one of the shocks/coils were starting to be on their way out (seems overly soft, running the stock coils/springs still) so this was already on my todo.

Secondly: I also just upgraded to some 17x9 (-12 offset) with a fresh set of 265/65/17s. I started getting decent rub on my mud flaps. So I removed them, and now I only get slight rub when I am turning, the truck is slightly loaded, and then the shock is made to do a quick distance change. So, turning in one direction, with a little bit of speed, and then going over a bump; itll pop the fender flare at the back just a little. Otherwise no more rubbing currently. (I know its mostly due to the offset, but the wheels are staying so lets not talk about changing the wheels haha)

So what I am trying to do is lift it a bit to get the wheels off the flare. I would really love to be able to put the flaps back on, but could do without. Also, it is my daily, I do an hour commute on the interstate with it, one way, M-F. But I also regularly take it outdoors on the weekends and it gets mild to moderate off-road exposure. So its mainly interstate driving but it very much still gets off road exposure, therefore a little lift would be nice and I would realistically lift it more but don't wanna tank my gas mileage or highway handling in the process.

I am looking at getting 5100s. So my first question is what is yalls opinions on used 5100s? Yay, nay? A little usage okay but stay away from moderate usage ones? Just take the extra pocketbook hit and get new? Etc. (FYI, within the next 5 years it will be demoted from my daily, at which point it will get new bumper/winch and start heading the overland route, so these shocks/coils won't be the end all be all, just an upgrade for the time in between.)

With that being said, since I will probably end up on the .85 setting on the 5100s I am thinking about going ahead and swapping coils too, to sweeten the deal. I am leaning OME, unless someone thinks strongly that another route would be better. But if not, WHICH OMEs? 883? 884? 885? (Entirely stock front end, minus the wheels/tires.) This is one I can't seem to get a clear answer on regardless of how much I look/search.

And then any other supporting mods that SHOULD be done, even though they might not need to be? OEM CAs going to be okay with this setup? Should I be considering any aftermarket bushings, etc.? (Not gonna mess with spacers for the lean I don't think. So that one will probably get skipped, dunno, might change my mind)

 

I run 5100s with ome 887 coils and love them so far.. I also went with freedom Offroad ucas and no issues so far. I would recommend talking to Marie over at @HeadStrong Off-Road And let them put a package together for ya.

 

I plan on giving her a buzz later this week, but still doing my preliminary work lol

I looked at 887s but then got confused at the 2nd vs 3rd gen "specific" coils. Thats giving you about 2" lift though? Thinking might be a little more than I had in mind.

 

I got around 2.75 inches.. I also have aal in the rear tho... if you’re wanting to stay at or below 2 inches it’s probably be best going with a different coil like the three you mentioned. Also cab style plays a factor in how much lift you get from each coil. This is the chart I went buy when making my decision
https://www.headstrongoffroad.com/uploads/1/1/8/4/11846658/lift_guide_rev_4.pdf

 

Perfect, thank you! I am assuming "bottom notch" means the 0 setting? What notch are you running yours on? I have seen some people say all OME should be at 0 and then some people saying 0.85 is best (but maybe that is purely for OEM coils?)

 

I opted to have headstrong preassemble mine($100 dollars option I think) so I didn’t have to mess with spring compressors, plus you get new top hats. They’re at the bottom notch which is 0. I’m pretty sure that’s the only way headstrong will assemble them.

 

Wait... if I am running the base shocks on my 2nd gen, would a set off 3rd gen 4600 take offs give some lift in the front?

 

"stock suspension" being the "tacoma bilstein 4600s", and you're referring to the non toyota spec'd 4600s?

or "stock suspension" being the non-4600 base shocks, and you're referring to the toyota 4600s?

With that being said, the toyota spec'd 4600s would still give some lift, correct? Or just the non toyota spec'd 4600s will give some lift?

 

And since so many people lift brand new third gens you can usually find a good set of take offs pretty cheap.

 

So, realistically just 3rd gen coils would pump it up a bit, but most just come with the bilsteins as well. So would just swap it all and be fresh all around. 4600s are same travel/length as the blue and yellow stock? Only difference is in the valving?

 

I have some full take-offs near me with less than 30k for <$200, couple different sets too. Just wondering if an inch (.5-1) is gonna be enough clearance

 

Whats the normal lifespan of the stock OR shocks?

 

Depends on how much abuse they're subjected to, but generally speaking OEM will outlast aftermarket. You got 210k on your rig and it seems like your shocks are still serviceable if maybe a bit soft but there are plenty of threads about 5100s failing with like 30k - 50k miles sometimes less than that. Long term = OEM, lift and big ol tires = aftermarket. If you just want to freshen up the ride and clear your tires maybe think about 3rd gen take off with a small spacer (1/4in or 1/2in)? Just my $0.02.

 

Spot on. Think the smaller spacers will affect quality/performance of ride at all?

 

I wouldn't think a small spacer would affect it too much, but I also dont really have any experience with that exact setup. I run 3rd gen OR suspension on my truck and it rides much better than the stock 2nd gen OR suspension did. I have a 1/4in spacer but only on the driver side to correct for the Taco lean, pass side is just straight bolted on.

 

Have to change out any hardware to accommodate that size spacer? Mounting bolts or anything

 

1/4in you do not have to change anything, they will work with all the stock hardware. Bigger than that you will have to install longer studs which means compressing the spring and removing the the top hat.

 

This is with the wheel turned to the point at which its closest to the flare (the point in which it has the potential to touch when travelling up). If the mud flaps were on this is where it touches the flaps... I am sitting at about 20" from hub center to flare. So get an inch at least maybe a bit more with the spacer ..... is that even going to make a difference with the rubbing though ?? Any chance I can fit the flaps back on? ... Or is this a 2"+ fix?

 

Barely but yes lol I quickly changed to 5100s because the 4600s are dookie off road

 

Plus caster adjustment