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Does 3-4" lift give the same ground clearance as a 6" lift?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Chief_CNMI, Sep 28, 2020.

  1. Sep 28, 2020 at 5:11 AM
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    I am new to the forum, and if theres anything else i should know, or did wrong, please correct me.

    I own a 2020 V6 4x4 SR5 DCSB

    I'd like to lift my truck via coil over, please no blocks, spacer lift, or drop brackets, I dont want to risk my truck nor be cutting up the frame.

    I'll be doing some mild off-roading soon, and before paying off the truck, I'll be purchasing a set of Bilstein 5100s, maxium lift of 2" or so, and running 265/75/16. This set up is temporary until i pay off the vehicle, and move on to a larger lift up to about 4-6"

    Tho the main question here is..

    Is it possible I can gain a 6" of lift with just 4" and tires?

    And what height gives the maximum height clearance? Ive heard 3-4" gives the same ground clearance as a 6" atleast axle wise.

    Are 6" lift worth it? And who makes the best 4" coilover lifts? Looking at something with aal or lef pack.

    And has anyone ever done a 4" lift with kings, and bilstein? Drop pics down below.

    Looking forward to your guys answer and pics!

    Thank you
    ~Chief
     
  2. Sep 28, 2020 at 5:26 AM
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    Tires give ground clearance and lift kits give your cab and frame a lift. The Tacoma needs front fender plastic trimming and sometimes a cab-mount-chop depending on tire/wheel combo, but the 1-3” suspension lifts like yours/mine/most all lifts do not help with fitting bigger tires. Your 2” lift allows you to ride around 2” higher in your stock suspension’s spec’d travel range. They look good though!

    The Tacoma’s can only be lifted 3” via suspension before doing drop bracket lifts, which require cutting the frame. Just about everyone on here will try to talk you down from that route for lots of reasons

    No lift needed for your 265/75/16 plan. I run 255/80/17 (33x10) with your struts and OME 885 coil springs to keep the ride softer. ICON RXT rear springs (my favorite upgrade by far) Still required me to trim plastic.

    33’s depending on your stock tire size will give you between 1 and 1.5 inches more ground clearance. Bigger or much wider than mine pretty much all require the CMC.
     
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    Do some research in the suspension forum. 6" lift is going to be drop bracket, anything over about 2.5" is going to start getting into a LOT more work to make things "right". What type of trails are you driving that stock height is not adequate for? The trucks are pretty capable in stock form. I'll probably do a mild Bilstein lift 2" and Deaver springs when my suspension needs replaced likely around 80k miles....
     
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    Lifts give you clearance for bigger tires. Bigger tires give you clearance for bigger rocks
     
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    Not quite. This article gives a good explanation of why a lift doesn't help clear larger tires.

    https://www.coastaloffroad.com/clearing-35-tires-at-any-ride-height

    (This does not fully apply to drop bracket or body lifts)
     
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    Why not drop bracket? It’s the only way you’ll achieve anything over 4 inches. Plus it’s 2020 not the 80s the replacement crossmembers are strong as if not stronger than OEM.
     
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    Actually, 4" is exactly where i would like to sit. But will that require a Drop bracket lift still? I know i may need to do a diff drop.
     
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    To my knowledge a diff drop is a drop bracket lift. I’m part dumbass so not sure. Usually people use them interchangeably.

    I’m on a 4 inch btw with 315s

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    I assume you want a total of 4" overall height increase over stock. Without doing a drop bracket lift, like you said, you can do a 3" suspension lift (which is pretty much the max you can do with bolt on replacement suspension) plus go 2" bigger on your tire, which will get you another ~1" of height. Remember, suspension lift doesn't help you clear bigger tires at full stuff, but you can always limit the uptravel by bigger bumpstops if you're just mall crawling.
     
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    Well, ill be heading out to trails soon, and 3-4" of lift is ideal to me without doing a drop bracket lift or cutting up into the truck. Ive heard people with issues of a DB lift.
    Would anyone know if KING or bilstein can give me about 3-4" of lift? Ill be running 33s.

    Ive seen a taco on king coil overs, looks to be sitting between 3-4" of lift, and possibly 35s. The height look identical to 6" and the stance looks nice anand aggressive.
     
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    Drop bracket is totally far from diff drop, the higher in lift you go, the more angles your front cv axles take, people use a diff drop to get back to stock geometry on the cv axles, as much as possibly, that way they don't blow their boots.

    Drop bracket is a lift cutting into your frame permanently and replacing your crossmember with a aftermarket one to accommodate with the Db lift. Since these trucks can only go about 3" max of coil over lift which is superior for offroading with coil overs. If you wanna pass 3" and gain 6" of lift, then you may need to go with a drop bracket (DB).

    Tho i like the way your truck sits, what lift you went with? Do you offroad?
     
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    I have a 4" spacer lift 33" tires on my truck with the drop bracket. I'm removing it all now and going to king shocks with a uca. I want a smoother ride and travel.
    You could do longer lower control arms you will need longer axles and wider fenders but it is the smoothest ride.
     
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    Just stick to the 5100 lift.

    4" wont make the truck any better at offroading, you lose lots of travel and geometry at that point.

    Most people revert once they lift past 3"

    2.5" is the sweet spot with a high quality shock and upper arm.
     
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    Thanks! Been thinking for a while, i am now between kings 2.5, or bilstein. Either one is fine, money wouldnt be a issue, yes kings is over rated, but why not build my own version of the trd pro, right? Atleast it has adjusted performance shocks unlike the trd pro fox shocks. Though, thank you everybody for the help and clarifications!
     
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    rough country I know ew. But it’s been awesome the cross member is stronger than OEM believe it or not. OP what issues have you heard about dB lifts? Everyone seems to say they heard something had a picture and lost it or their dad had one in the 80s. You’ll break more things with LT then you will with a DB. And yes I off-road it often it’s a beast. Had a suspension life on my 2nd gen this is wayyy better.
     
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    4 inch definitely makes it better for off roading and what tires you’re able to run. Maybe you’re not from the south but once your body hits the mud or water is when you start having issues. Think of when you pass through a creek or river. As long as the water is able to go under the body you’re fine but once the water hits the body goodbye.
     
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    By the way most DB lift kits come with Diff Drops
     
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    It all depends on how someone defines offroading. You make great points, but playing in the rocks or anything off-camber, ~2" is perfect. Gives a little better approach/departure angles and lower center of gravity. But for what you described, the higher the better.
     
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    Definitely right I try to avoid rocks also my alignment is awful. Ordered UCA yesterday contrary to Tacomaworld UCAs are neccisty for 35/ 315s on a DB lift I found out the hard way.

    you just gotta watch what you read on this site a lot of people pass around false and bad info someone told them years ago or they read on another thread and think it’s correct. For any mechanical questions I hope around jeep, Ford, and mud fourms when I know something is fishy or someone is wrong but people seem to be agreeing.
     

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