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Front tires stick out less

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Nexon1295, Oct 18, 2020.

  1. Oct 18, 2020 at 4:09 PM
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    So I just put my winters on the truck, and with the smaller narrower tire its much more obvious that the front wheels sit further under the truck than the rear.
    Here's the front.
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    Here's the rear.20201017_115047.jpg
    I realize now that the pics are kinda shitty but you can still tell the difference. Will a proper alignment manage to get the front tires to stick out a bit more? Or do I need to find some small spacers.
    The truck is lifted and I'm about to swap out the 886s for 885s w nitrochargers. So I'll need an alignment anyway.
     
  2. Oct 18, 2020 at 4:12 PM
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    Wheels could be a different offset...
     
  3. Oct 18, 2020 at 4:14 PM
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    No I'm quite certain they're not. My summers were similar but it was significantly less noticeable with the larger tires or something
     
  4. Oct 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM
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    Alignment is achieved by adjusting the front lower control arm cam bolts. Depending on how the cam bolts are set, the front track width can grow or shrink an inch or more.

    Usually you'll need to use all the adjustment room in the cam bolts just to achieve acceptable alignment numbers that won't kill your tires quickly (or cause too much rubbing if you run 33"s or larger tires). You usually won't have the luxury of adjusting the cam bolts to set a track width.
     
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    Thanks mate. I'll bet any money that the cam bolts are seized too. Wonder how much they would cost to replace
     
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    I was just looking at this kit fromt wheelers. I know ill have to order 2 of them.
    Is it a certainty that id have to replace the lca's?
     
  8. Oct 18, 2020 at 4:38 PM
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    The SPC bolts are the same as the Moog ones described here: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...lem-solver-caster-camber-cam-bolt-kit.317057/ The D-shaped holes in the washers tend to round off the first time you do an alignment and become garbage. In some cases they round off while driving, causing alignment to drift.

    If the cam bolts are seized in the LCA bushings, replacing the LCAs is cheapest option if you're paying a shop to do the work. If you plan to DIY and can afford extended downtime, you can get burn out the OEM bushings and press in new ones from Whiteline or Energy Suspension.
     
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  9. Oct 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM
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    So the bison kit does not have the D shaped
    I see. So best bet is to get new lca's. I don't know if the bolts are seized to the bushing or if its seized differently.
     
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    Correct. The Bison kit relies on octagonal washers to prevent rotation.

    Bolt seized to the bushing is the only way for it to seize. The nut will usually come off with an impact wrench and/or heat.
     
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    Ah I see. Do you think the octagonal washers will give enough adjustment for a good alignment?
     
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    I would also need bushing to go with the bison kit it looks like.
     
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    They'll likely give marginally acceptable results (e.g. you might have to live with +1 deg positive camber rather than 0 deg camber).
    Yes. The Bison kit here would serve as just a cheaper alternative to the OEM cam bolts. Their primary selling point is being less likely to get knocked out of position when rock-crawling.
     
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    IIRC, the rear track width dimension is a bit wider than the front track width. Check your manual for confirmation.

    I think the rear is about 25.4 mm (1 inch) wider than the front.

    Alignment likely will not affect the stance, but will alter the steering/handling.
     
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    2005 and 2010 owner's manuals say 63.0" front / 63.4" rear. 2015-2019 manuals say 63.0" front / 63.2" rear.
     
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    Yes I had figured that would be the underlying cause. I think it got worse after I had the truck aligned last year but that could be just my skewed memory.
     
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    Thanks fellas
     
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    You've never driven in a Canadian winter have you? Yes all terrains are decent enough and can definitely get a guy through the winter. But the difference is night and day. I get way more miles on my summers that way as well
     
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    Don’t miss those days of swapping wheels...super annoying! lol
     
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    I don't mind it at all. Only takes a half hour to do all 4
     

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