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Alignment with SPC UCA

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Myles G, Oct 27, 2020.

  1. Oct 27, 2020 at 5:27 PM
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    Myles G

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    I should definitely be on at least a 10 inch rim, that’s next But typically it rides just fine but I do eat through tires in 30k miles.
     
  2. Oct 27, 2020 at 5:30 PM
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    those tires are gonna die fast on tarmac but you know that. depending on your alignment and some related to pressures, the narrower wheel may allow over compliance with the tires and that can exaggerate wear on an uneven alignment. I'm interested to see if just running them another 100+miles on the highway reduces the pull.
     
  3. Oct 27, 2020 at 5:36 PM
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    I’ll check pressures and give it a good drive tomorrow
     
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  4. Oct 27, 2020 at 5:36 PM
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    Does the pull get worse when you hit a bump?
     
  5. Oct 27, 2020 at 5:37 PM
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    What psi?
     
  6. Oct 27, 2020 at 5:37 PM
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    Bump steer got a little worse
     
  7. Oct 27, 2020 at 5:51 PM
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    34.5 all the way around
     
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  8. Oct 27, 2020 at 5:57 PM
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    just make sure you verify that tomorrow. i doubt that's the issue but you don't need more variables.
     
  9. Oct 27, 2020 at 6:24 PM
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    Late to the party. Catching up. A couple things.
    Caster is the only alignment variable that does NOT cause tire wear. It’s SAI. Steering axis inclination. Think of it as front to back position. Vehicles always pull toward greater camber and less caster.
    Bingo. :cheers:
    Greater caster will hold the vehicle on center line better. And it won’t munch rubber.
     
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    Positive caster is back to front.
    Positive SAI is inward to outward.
    SAI has a similar effect on stability as caster. Higher SAI is often spec'd to avoid the pitfalls of high caster; specifically, tire lean and camber changes during turning, which can cause shoulder wear.
     
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  11. Oct 27, 2020 at 6:44 PM
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    If I ride it for a couple 100 miles and it still persists should I have them change anything?
     
  12. Oct 27, 2020 at 7:05 PM
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    I think your biggest problem is the addition 15mm of negative scrub radius with the taller tire.
    Alignment is a static measurement. Positive scrub will toe out when driven. Negative scrub will toe in when driven.

    If you hit a bump on the right only, does it shoot to the right?
    Did you have a lot of outer shoulder wear?
    If so, I'd go slightly toe out on your alignment.

    You can 'fix' the negative scrub with a 3/4" spacer or the appropriate offset/wheel width.
     
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  13. Oct 27, 2020 at 7:26 PM
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    Also, 35 psi is a bit much for that tire.
    At 35 psi, those tires have a load capacity of 2,535 lbs. You only 'need' enough psi to obtain 1,954 lbs. LT inflation charts do not go below 35 psi, and is generally not recommended to go below that. If one were to calculate based on the value of 1 psi, from 35-40 psi, it would be 26 psi. That said, I'd experiment from 25-30 psi.

    Then again, with such a wide tire on a narrow rim you might 'need' the higher psi to offset sidewall compliance.
     
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  14. Oct 27, 2020 at 7:46 PM
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    Do you think spacers would help reduce tire wear?
     
  15. Oct 27, 2020 at 7:52 PM
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    Depends on your answers...
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    If you hit a bump on the right only, does it shoot to the right?
    Did you have a lot of outer shoulder wear?

    You might need more than 3/4", since your SAI increased.
    There is some overlap with your cross SAI number(unequal) and negative scrub. Either way, in bump, it's creating a difference in moment arms through the tread, laterally.
     
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    Told ya @splitbolt would have some beta for ya :D
     
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  17. Oct 27, 2020 at 8:33 PM
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    I drove it more tonight still pulling but it’s more bearable. Bump steer was about the same didn’t really matter if I only hit right or left.

    And yes on my Goodyear duratracs I had lots of shoulder wear
     
  18. Oct 27, 2020 at 8:34 PM
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    Thank you
     
  19. Oct 27, 2020 at 9:14 PM
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    Spacers or new wheels are a good idea regardless. Negative scrub on rwd is not an ideal situation. I mentioned a 3/4" spacer previously, before I accounted for increase SAI. You could probably do up to 1.25" without increasing positive scrub significantly.
     
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  20. Oct 27, 2020 at 9:25 PM
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    Another thing....
    Your cross SAI is creating more negative scrub on the driver side; it's being toed in more when driven.
     

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