Toyota Needs to Step Up!

Completely disagree. But it does all depend on the terrain too. For example, the K02's will be much better at rock crawling than Cooper Discoverer AT3 4S tires, but the Cooper's will be much better in the snow and wet. Both are all terrain a. The Goodyear Wrangler is marketed as an all terrain, but the tread pattern shows it is much more of a street oriented tires. Tread pattern, lug size, etc. are all factors that set tires apart. The Goodyear Wrangler with kevlar that comes from the factory is not on the same level as something like a Goodyear Duratrac. They don't compete for the same market.

 

Oh so we are just going to throw out random tire brands now as opposed to your original statement of manufacturer supplied tires.

You are right in that the Duratracs are marketed more to a hybrid mud terrain but I have not seen the performance you claim. This is a classic, don't judge a book by its cover.

That said, I personally wouldnt buy any of them

 

Our Goodyear tires we get are for ride, mpg.
They are the worst tires I have had in the last 8 years for snow.

 

So had our Pacific fleet. Payback is a bitch.

 

The Coopers are the only ones I mentioned that aren't supplied from the factory. The K02's, Duratrac, and Wranglers all come from the factory on different vehicles. I was merely using the Coopers as an example. You stated the tires aren't any better or worse, implying they're all the same because they're "all terrains." They are not created equal. Tread pattern, lug size, and tread compound (to name a few) are all big factors which separate them. But, again, it depends what you want to do. The Goodyear Wrangler =/= BF Goodrich K02. As was mentioned by another member, the TRD Pro is often held back by the Goodyear Wranglers it comes with when compared to other stock trucks.

 

Yet they all will get your vehicle through the same terrain. KO2s, Duratracs, Wranglers, or whatever all-terrain I've seen and used them all, neither are really a standout from the other .Like I said, my stock tacoma on shitty wranglers out performed a ZR2 on Duratracs...

Anyways, you aren't convincing, agree to disagree, best of luck.

 

I can tell you a lot of people disagree there. But, again it depends on the terrain. There are also other factors too such as weight, the driver, PSI, etc. However, general consensus is they are NOT the same. But I'm not telling you what to run either. I can tell you, if you want highway oriented, go with the Wranglers. If you don't, go with something else. My Wranglers didn't do that well in the snow. My Cooper's are far better. They are not equal even though both claim to be all terrains. But, to each their own.

 

Likely the same people that buy a tire because it "looks" aggressive so their truck looks cool.

Case and point: My Wranglers were awesome in snow, it fact I literally watched an F350 in a huge PA snowstorm in front of me spin out on KO2s and crash into the ditch. The Tacoma was perfectly stable. Good for Highway? MY wranglers lasted similar to KOs and Duratracs, all a disappointment.

Coopers are great? I watched two tires fail on Morrison (2019 WY trip) and everyone there said they would never buy coopers again..

Exactly my point, they are all basically the same. Sorry friend, you have a narrow perspective. Only specialty/niche tires begin to stand out, winter tires, studded, sticky bias tires etc. but at the end of the day winter tires are all pretty much the same as each other.

 

There is a lot of low hanging fruit on those ZR2s to get them hung up on a lot of things. F&R lockers can only do so much when you have a bunch of tail hooks hanging down catching everything

 

I wish I had read this earlier but it's 100% true and on point. It's the responsibility of the buyer to build the truck of their dreams, not the manufacture. They have given me the "look" that I wanted and it's up to me to enhance it, and make it mine. The 1969 Ford Mustang rolled off the assembly line with a great motor, aggressive look and outstanding performance. Then the work began in your garage, your buddies yard or shop. Wheels, tires, carb, shocks, cams, shifters, cages, third members and on and on and on. If you're looking for 6 models of the same truck, sounds to me like you don't want to do the work.
Zim

 

You just proved my point. Terrain also matters. I didn't go with the K02 because I know it isn't good in the snow. But I tested the Wranglers back to back with the Cooper's. The Cooper's beat the Wranglers hands down. But also, as I said, the K02 will outperform the Cooper in rock crawling. The Wrangler will be quieter and smoother on the highway

As a matter of fact, you can find a number of different measurable differences between the tires if you know where to look. There are many reviews that measure things like quietness, stopping distance, etc with the same vehicle but different tires. My only point here is that not all all terrains are equal.

 

Thats right, yes.

 

Yet I have seen KOs go through some of the worst snow storms in Colorado plowing through 2-3 feet of snow. KOs were one of the most trusted tires. You prove my point with every reply every experience you have had I have had the opposite, and there are countless others that have varying experiences. When you put it all together, they are basically the same.

I'll be frank, you literally have no idea what you are talking about. Have a happy new year.

 

I never said they couldn't. I just said they weren't good in the snow, especially compared to many other all terrains. Some people even claim they can easily spin the K02'S on wet Pavement without trying.

Let's not even start on the fact that an F350 has much different weight properties than a Tacoma. Not to mention the biggest factor: the driver. I see far more full size trucks in the ditch due than midsized ones. Why? Overconfidence. Big trucks can have good traction to get going due to their weight, but they have a lot more momentum to stop. Time and time again I get passed on the highway in poor weather by someone who I later see in the ditch. But, I digress.

 

If the KO2s suck so bad in the snow then why do they triple peak rate them and push that they are great in the snow......Which wranglers are we talking about pretty much every truck tire in the Goodyear line up carries the wrangler name from the MT/R to the SR-A all made for different things. I haven't seen a KO2 do all that great in any offroad situation unless it's some really dry sticky stuff like moab here on the EC they aren't good unless you are on a fire road or it's been dry for weeks. You are making claims that scenarios matter then making broad generalizations and strokes at the same time to those claims.

 

It's like a negative proof stement, "Cooper tires are better in snow, prove me wrong..."

 

I had Duratracs on my LC for a while before I went to my Cooper Pro's and they were amazing in the snow and in the snow on the trails. I didn't have the KO2's to compare them to so I can only comment on the Duras.

 

Right!!!!! It seems there is a lot of comparing of dissimilar product lines too.

 

My point is that not all all-terrains are equal. I also said the terrain matters. The K02 received the snowflake rating for meeting certain parameters, not because it is the best tire out there. The Wranglers being referred to in this case are the stock Wranglers with kevlar that comes on the TRD Pro/Off Road.

 

Exactly! Thank you! Just because something is an "All terrain" doesn't mean it is equal to every other all terrain tires. The K02 competes with the Duratrac, not the Wranglers with kevlar. Yet the claim is that they are all equal. Or at least the implication. All of them are all terrains.