Toyota Needs to Step Up!

The stock tires still work off-road. If Fred can take his gravel bike off road on skinny tires with no problem, I sure hope Chad can "off road his Tacoma" on stock AT tires with a locker. I don't think that even if Toyota put X off road tire that Chad would be happy. It's the same shit with bicycles, some people change it up others feel stock works fine.

 

No point continuing the debate. We disagree. It’s all good.

 

I know why you combined the Colorado/Canyon and I don't blame you. They may as well be the same.

Of course the Gladiator counts, they still managed to sell 40k units in 2019.

Everyone always leaves out the Honda Ridgeline which sold 33k units in 2019.

 

Not exactly ;-)

Not sure how much manufacturing engineering or process planning experience you have, but building 2 million trucks on an assembly line is considerably different than building a few dozen custom boats by hand. Seriously ;-)

 

I never said they come close, but they have them they are all sales nonetheless. And like I said, municipalities and other commercial places aren't necessarily loyal to any certain brand.

 

Pretty much! In over 20 yrs in the industry besides the exceptions I know of exactly 2 mass market vehicles that were custom ordered. Not to mention in some cases you are REQUIRED to take delivery. Like you said earlier dealers don't want to get stuck with some random thing that most people wouldn't want that may sit on the lot and not sell for 1 yr or more.

Toyota does the same thing that's called prediction of sales dealers place their orders. You cannot count what dealers order that's not even close to the correct comparison. Please you just showed how ignorant to the subject you are. When you say custom order that insinuates Joe Blow walks into the dealer and wants a specific vehicle optioned a certain way not the dealer saying well lets look at our previous sales and demands for certain options and order x# of xyz vehicle with xyz options. 2 totally different scenarios there.

You are missing the point it takes the ford F series, Ram, Chevy silvarado all with 5 models total in that line up with lots and lots of HD market especially with commercial sales accounts to beat one model from toyota. But we'll keep pretending Yota doesn't know a damn thing about manufacturing, sales, or marketing. I forgot what model of manufacturing has every car manufacturer embraced that's right the just in time yota model.

 

You are correct they aren't loyal but when yota doesn't make an 1 ton or larger truck it's kinda hard to compare apples to apples with sales. I don't know about where you live but here it's all domestic vehicles for the municipalities. A couple of companies have tacomas as fleet vehicles like terminex but that still isn't the same scale as Pike electric or every tow truck being a ford or dodge.

 

How'd they sell 40k gladiators they weren't even at 30k at the end of Q3. I don't count them as they didn't have a full sales year. Plus to me they are kinda in their own catagory like the Jeep Wrangler. It's got it's own niche market. I think it's going to do meh at best I don't see it staying around for long. Already sales aren't what they were hoping so they are doing what ever they can to create excitement.

I don't count a unibody odyssey chassis based vehicle. It's the el camino or ranchero of this era a useless FWD wannabe truck. The guy in my Apt complex had one for all of 6 mos turned it in got a new tacoma

 

You missed the point and the connection I was making as an exaggerated case. I actually worked for a mass produced boat company so I have some experience in manufacturing and how that whole process works.

BTW Semi custom boats are about as hand made as a bugati or rolls royce. A hand built boat is what is considered a custom boat.

 

If this guy can take his Hyundai Tucson miles in on basic mall tires one should be able to do a 1000 times better in a stock Tacoma. IMO no matter what tires Toyota picked Kevin would still complain that it wasn't good enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrUD4mSvZms

 

Some of the vehicles he hauls out of the places they get I have no clue how they made it as far as they did. A magazine took a kia telluride out at Uwharrie National Forest here in NC. He cut a sidewall on one of the stock highway tires and had to finish the trails on a donut spare

 

Toyota is out front in electrical vehicles and in hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. In 20 years they’ll dominate the market as they do today.

 

Of course you can...unless it pokes big giant holes in your theory, then it would be best to ignore it ;-)

Your argument is that due to "scaling" Toyota either can't do or has difficulty taking custom orders. That is incorrect. The manufacturing pipeline doesn't care WHO ordered the truck. Makes ZERO difference in the manufacturing process if the orders were placed by a dealer's sales manager for in-stock units or Billy Joe Bob's custom ordered Platinum deluxe King Ranch Limited.

ALL those orders are fulfilled by domestic manufactures at a production rate that is about TEN times the production rate of the Tacoma. That suggests to most reasonable people that 'scaling' isn't a factor, that Toyota's lack of enthusiasm for custom orders is most likely due to something else. That is all I'm suggesting.

 

I think the Telluride is like a fake Coach bag. IMO it's designed for the Starbucks and Ugg boot crowd that wanted a Range Rover.

 

Definitely agree about the 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks. But that's where the Tacoma makes a difference since there aren't multiple levels of midsized trucks.

Around here we see a lot of GM stuff, but it's mostly the full size. Occasionally I'll see a mid size and usually those are either Tacomas or Colorado's. Terminex and USIC come to mind. My city isn't loyal at all as far as DPW is concerned. They have RAM, GM, and Ford for their pickups. Either they do a rotation or it is whoever happens to be cheapest at the time.

 

They sold just over 40k between their release and the end of 2019. They didn't even begin production until April. I agree it is niche, but it is considered a midsized truck nonetheless.

I'd like to forget the Ridgeline is a thing too, but it keeps coming back!

 

I remember that video. If I remember, gravity was his friend getting in and the main reason he didn't get out, aside from the massive rocks that is.

 

No you can't take into account dealer orders as custom orders of course then every single vehicle made to this day including toyota are custom. Oh and manufacturers do not consider those custom ordered. We were discussing custom orders as such Joe Blow walking into a dealership. No it doesn't blow any bit of my theory up since dealers order many months in advance based on predictive sales statistics. But yeah we'll keep going with your assertion that every vehicle is custom ordered. Toyota dealers make orders just like a chevy or ford which destroys your argument. You seem to be the one with a lack of understanding on how manufacturing and the auto industry operates.

Now you are combining all domestic manufacturers together to reach a 10x more production rate. This is getting comical. SO now it takes 4 manufacturers with 19 different models to produce 10x that of one manufacturer with 1 model. Lets really compare apples to apples here. But I mean toyota didn't just destroy an entire market where they own almost 1/2 of it for being dumb. But we'll keep making poor comparisons as to try and make your point.

 

I know it's in that market just not really a truck in my eyes.
That's funny the sales must of really turned on at the end of the year I know in June and July and even now they are still not hitting target sales. They saw the hype around the raptor ranger and are now trying to capitalize on that with that hemi thing. D44s with that hemi good luck

 

What Toyota should is this.

get rid of the land cruiser.

make the sequoia the big boy SUV.

downgrade the next gen GX 460/Landcruiser prado, put the spare tire on the back, and sell it as the next gen landcruiser. However it must sell at a 55-65k price point, and be marketed to Bronco buyers or overlanders.


Keep the Tacoma and 4Runner at the 35 to 40k price point.

they are pretty much golden at this point.