May want to change the oil WAY before 10k miles on your new tacoma.

Ill do 10k and maybe I am old or its the marketing but even at that length im like this def needs to be done.

 

I sent samples out to Blackstone and they said I could push it to 12-13 if I wanted. I still change around 10k. I like workin on stuff and changing the oil helps me feel productive. There's no perfect answer, just do what makes ya happy.

 

Yeah, I feel you. If they say you can push it that means to me I would rather change it. I have a 74 nova that I can work on for fun, I would rather this Tacoma last long lol

 

I've just done what the engineers of mobil 1 synthetic have recommended with their oils. I've heard from many shop mechanics oil should be replaced every 3k miles. This is old school through for the oils back in the day. Our additive packages now are no comparison. I've been to europe. For some time now they have learned to conserve their oil resources by blending better synthetics for longer oil change intervals. Even the auto manufactures there have engineered more sophisticated diesel engines to go along with this. Its one thing to change your oil sooner for the break-in process, but after that if using a synthetic your just wasting resources, and money by not following the manufactures schedule by changing your oil too early.

 

The problem with oil Anal-list is it only tells what happened looking back in time.

 

Do you have a crystal ball lol.

 

Toyota is hardly the only manufacturer to recommend 10k OCs. Many others do these days. Hell, my '86 Mazda B2000 called for 7500 mile OCs....and that was 35 years ago.

3k OCs were a product of oil companies and the instant oil changes industry....gaining a lot of traction in the late 60s and early 70s.

There are oil and filters that are capable of 20k mile intervals without breaking much of a sweat these days.

My next door neighbor's '12 Camry got it's 1st two OCs from the dealer under Toyota Care. After that it's seen SuperTech 0/20 and 10k OCs exclusively....many of them done by me.

Once he accidentally came home with 5/30. He was nervous. I laughed and said, relax....won't hurt a thing. Ran 5/30 for that 10k miles then back to 0/20 next time. The car now has 180k miles on it. Runs flawlessly and consumes virtually no oil in between changes. In fact, I'm not so sure it's ever had makeup oil added to it. Lately he's been buying the high mileage version of SuperTech 0/20. That's the only difference in the last nearly 10 years.

That said....I do 5k OCs on my rig simply because that is the factory recommend interval for a '15 4.0 and I'm still under Platinum warranty for another 2.5 years.

 

WHERE TF IS THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE IN THE MANUAL!!!!! I literally looked through the damn thing twice and can't find it.... 2021 Tacoma Sport. So frustrated

 

Only anal beads on a rip cord

 

ha!! So, I have mentioned this in another thread as well. Old school guys say that oil is a waste product (they are not wrong) and just fill when needed.

I’ve seen a dodge Durango (did you hear what I just fucking said....a dodge!!!) go 200k+ miles without a single oil change.

Would I do it?? Absolutely not. But it has been done...in one of the least reliable vehicles on the planet

 

there a couple manuals. One is only for maintenance

I think I have three. I can check later. They are in my glove box and I currently have a 4 year older keeping me busy lol

 

oh okay ill have to check all the million books them I would assume it would be in the main one but apparently not

 

it’s a small one. And yeah. Haha!! They did give us a lot.

 

I do a yearly change on my buddy's Sequoia....every January. That's it.

 

I went in for my 10k service and asked them about changing the oil just to be sure they were going to do it for my peace of mind. They told me they changed it at the 5k. I never even noticed that on the service invoice.

 

*1- “Here's the rub...and follow the logic.
You seem like a nice enough sort that wants to learn right?
Here is the whole story...
Let's talk about only 3500 5000 and 10000 oil change intervals (OCI) to start.
Toyota is known to be one of the more reliable brands, and most will agree on that fact. We all pretty much agree 300K is achievable with some maintenance.”

**1- Arguably, but so can most any other vehicle make with proper maintenance (like oil changes) TOYOTA just happens to sell the most partly because of fuel economy and more attention for assembly details, but ok.

*2- “Toyota recommends two OCI's, 5K severe and 10K normal.
Well, damn. Toyota is most reliable and even they recommend 10K OCI's? If 3.5K OCI's were good, wouldn't a company known for reliability recommend a shorter OCI?! Think about that for a minute.”

**2-Yeah…But that would drive up the much coveted first year of ownership cost. No bueno for budget minded consumers, and those that don’t believe in oil changes.

**3- “Toyota recommends 5K for severe duty and that's fine, except some people think because they went offroad for a few miles or put some suitcases on the roof then that's severe duty lol. Severe duty is pulling a trailer every day or hauling around a half ton of tools all the time or even super short trips in a city. Those are severe duty, not when you do those things only briefly every now and then!”

*3-Can you show where your definition is fully explained in the warranty or owners manual? For the benefit of the die hards that is. If you don’t mind of course.

*4- ‘So now the die hard are sputtering "but but... piece of mind! We do it for cheap insurance and piece of mind!" Well damn. Then why don't you carry two spares? Why don't you carry an extra battery or extra front bumper?’

**4- Because those items are easy and not expensive or preventable and will eventually be replaced, but hopefully not the motor.

*5- ‘The phrase "piece of mind" to me, means those people are just too damn lazy to do the necessary research to gain knowledge so you can be comfortable in your decisions.
So, in order to become comfortable with your decision, go to a website called bobistheoilguy.com and get educated. Best site to learn about oil and OCI on the internet and best part... they are not sponsored by oil companies!’

**5- Not sponsored by oil companies is good. It means they don’t draw a salary from them and may be more sincere in their assessments.
And I can’t speak for anyone, but I’m quite comfortable with my decisions.

*6- “So why do guys change their oil at 5K or 3.5K even though they cannot offer any evidence that the more frequent OCI's add additional life to their engine? One of their big arguments is " we tore an engine down and you wouldn't believe the wear!" Lol there's a difference between a massed produced Toyota engine and a backyard built race engine. Otherwise, they have zero proof.”

**6- First, race engines are much more meticulously assembled and is were a lot of great technology has been developed and learned from. A lot of great engineers like Henry Ford and Smokey Yunick started in the back yard…You know that right?

However, if you believe oil is not that crucial, try running a factory engine after an oil change without filling back up with oil and maybe see what happens to it, or how far can you get?
And if that doesn’t convince you that the oil is the life blood of the ICE, nothing ever will.

And now that we maybe better informed with that knowledge, clean oil is better that used oil, theoretically speaking. And of course proven by the fact that 5k oil changes are still in the books and 10k is the maximum before your warranty maybe voided. But do run a controlled study on that, and I may look into your theory.

*7- “The 10K OCI has lots of proof that it is the right OCI. There have been hundreds and thousands of Oil samples and the analysis shows that 10K is fine. We have lots of members over 200K that have not had any problems using 10K OCI.”

**7- Well, “lots” is not an accurate statistical data point. To be accepted as such it needs to be a controlled study. It is just another anadontic reference.
Shame on you being an engineer and all.

*8- “So, if those 3.5 and 5K guys have no proof, Toyota engineers recommend 10K, the oil samples say 10K is fine and bobistheoilguy says 10K is fine, why in the hell do they change their oil at 3.5 or 5K? And, they make sure to tell everyone they do it too!”

**8- TOYOTA recommends 5k-10k, the latter being maximum before your warranty maybe denied. In other words, that is the redline that your aiming for?

*9- “The answer is simple. Those guys are tinkerers. They are proud they can change their own oil! And truthfully, vehicles have gotten so complex there is little a driveway warrior can do to a vehicle anymore.
Personally, I have had a garage change my oil ever since I could afford to have it changed, so for the past 40 years or so.”

** 9- Lots of people are tinkerers, and can afford to pay for an oil change if they so choose, just like you right? Or maybe even better.
When I think tinkerer I think Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Henry Ford to name just a tiny few and we could fill pages with their outstanding achievements.

Does that make a tinkerer wrong?

*10- “The truth is it takes no skill or knowledge to change oil, so, to me, it takes the same skill to dig a ditch as change your oil. Grunt work. There is reason the oil change tech at a dealership is the least skilled tech. It's because no skill is needed!
So why then, do those guys feel the need to tell everyone they change their oil early? Even though they have no proof it does anything to help and requires no skill? It's simply a way to justify a reason to tinker with their truck lol. That's the real reason!”

**10- No skill is needed huh! And yet so many horror stories behind the “no skill is needed” opinion.
It maybe a simpler task, yet some people who are able to drive a car (skill needed) in the snow, would rather take it to the unskilled guy rather than take a chance on screw things up.

Wait, is that even possible if it doesn’t require any skills? I have to think about that. NOT!

*11- “I have zero problems with guys changing their own oil early.”

**11- *4-And yet, here you are lol!
That said, there maybe some socio-economic reasons why10k destruction is being pushed so hard.

*12- Hell, change it every 500 miles if they want... just don't come here trying to convince other people you way is better when you have no proof and 10K OCI will do just fine.

**12- There’s plenty proof out there, whatever more do you need?

http://www.toyotaproblems.com/oil-sludge/

And again, 10k is the maximum, not minimum. Or the the redline for more clarity.

*13- Thanks for reading my opinion!

It was long, but I respect it. But lets get some more facts. Or not, it’s all good for me, I look into every tinkerer opinions too.
Moreover, I hope not to be blamed for the total and utterly destruction of this thread. In my defense, It was gone long ago…

 

Cue the...."my older brother's best friend from high school, 2nd cousin's, uncle's neighbor's nephew's 88 Mustang GT blew up on a Fram orange can of death!

 

10k miles is the maximum on paper. That number isn't arbitrary. It includes a built-in buffer. In other words...Toyota says no more than 10k miles...all the while knowing it can pushed.

No worries about this thread being locked. There will be 4 more oil threads pop up by tomorrow....3 in the 3rd gen forum.....because "0w-20 is way too thin", "Toyota is fucking crazy for recommending a 10k mile interval" or "what was Toyota thinking with this new filter design"......one that's actually been on this engine since 2004

Adios