2015 Non-JBL

Whats the max RMS the stock HU can push. Been considering upgrading door speakers now and headunit later since the HU can cost as much as full upgrade of all door speakers.

I'm partial to Alpine but am open to other brands. I've felt the audio has been lacking recently especially after I put in speaker upgrades and a subwoofer in a coworkers F150.

Also, I've been given a freebie Alumapro 8" subwoofer with little Kenwood amp and wondered if I can tap the rear door speaker inputs for signal at the sub. I know the Stock HU doesn't have any RCA outputs so I'd have to pull signal somewhere.

As far as I've been looking, the Alpine X series has a mid + surface tweeter set that'd cover the front tweeters and the rear doors and the Alpine S series has a set of speakers to cover the front lower speakers. ~$500+ for that setup.

TLDR; Anyways, I was wondering if 120w RMS door speakers was super overkill and if I shouldn't bother going so high even when I later upgrade the HU. Suggestions? I came from a Pontiac Grand Am with upgraded speakers and two kicker 12s powered by a 1400w(might be 1200w) hifonics brutus amp. (I still have the amp collecting dust in my garage, speakers are long gone.)



Sidenote: When looking at headunits I want a touchscreen to replace the Entune unit, don't care about am/fm since I don't use it. Would like android Auto and Carplay since I use Android and my wife uses apple. I like my steering wheel controls and I see Crutchfield has an $80 kit for most HUs that will retain steering wheel controls. Suggestions?

 

All of the Alpines I just looked at aren't efficient enough to run off of a factory radio. I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm saying you won't ever hear all the speaker you paid for. I wouldn't consider any of them for this situation unless your plan is to add an amplifier later.

 

So the X series have inline amplifiers from what I could tell. I do plan to put in an aftermarket headunit later on. Just everything together is $1100 and JD Fab suspension has a higher priority ($2400). But I may be picking up some OT soon so who knows.

EDIT: Looks like they are for the tweeters.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_500XS65C/Alpine-X-S65C.html

 

Here's the rest of what I was looking at:

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_105KWV66BT/JVC-KW-V66BT.html

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_500RS692/Alpine-R-S69-2.html

 

Those are crossovers, not amplifiers.

I'm wondering how you are going to get 6x9 speakers in the rear doors, because I'm assuming the components are meant to go up front.

 

6x9s for the front, the round 6.5"s in the rear.

 

There's nowhere to mount tweeters in the rear unless you cut holes in your door, and why would you put components in the rear and coaxials in the front?

Pay close attention to this guy, especially when he starts talking about power handling. The factory radio is giving you maybe 17 Watts I think.

https://video.crutchfield.com/tvpembed/215024890

 

I guess I should be more clear. I was going to mount the tweeters up front in the factory spots and just modify the door panels to accept them. The 6.5"s are subwoofers according to crutchfield and work in the rear according to crutchfield.

Crutchfield said the 6x9s fit and work in the lower front doors, so that's why I picked what I picked. That and I didn't want two sets of tweeters just to get the high end speakers. Guess I don't know what I'm doing so if you have a better setup in mind, please share so I get the best bang for my buck.

As far as what the HU pushes, I guess it doesn't matter a whole lot if I plan to swap out it out later? The real question is Headunit first or speakers first?

 

Components in front, coaxials in the rear. You do not want to put a tweeter on the same channel as coaxial speakers, which is what you are fixing to do. You also have no provision for high frequencies in the rear if you use the component tweeters up front with the coaxial 6x9s and the component woofer in the rear doors. I've done it for kicks because I like to try stuff out and I had the stuff lying around, it sucked.

If you can get a 6x9 component set, sweet. Otherwise use 6.5" components up front and 6.5" coaxials in the rear doors.

 

Between these two, which would you think would provide the best quality? The Rockford isn't a full 6x9 but is a 6-3/4 with up to 100w RMS vs the JL with a 60w RMS.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_13699046/JL-Audio-C1-690.html?l=5
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_575T1675S/Rockford-Fosgate-Power-T1675-S.html?l=5

 

This is irrelevant since you are using the factory radio's power. 60W is triple what it can output. Of these two choices the JL are going to be louder. They also have a better frequency response.

 

Combined with this Headunit https://www.crutchfield.com/p_104BE7ACPC/Boss-BE7ACP-C-Package.html

 

What's your opinion on underseat/hideaway subs?

 

• MY Confusion:
  • BOSS BE7ACP:
  • Digital media receiver (15A fuse)
  • built-in internal amp (20 watts RMS/85 peak x 4 channels)

So, you start out wanting to buy some holy shit Alpine speakers. Having reconciled that there's no power to drive them, you're looking at more efficient speakers, which is good, but now you're shopping seriously budget head units with only a tiny bit more power? I highlighted the 15A fuse and the 85W peak x 4 channels because mathematically there's no way.

340W at any point would put you over 25A. If you were installing an amp with that power, you would use 10AWG wire and a 30A fuse. Somehow this stereo powers all of the electronics inside, power antenna, amplifier turn on, the screen AND a 4 channel amplifier capable of peaking at a total of 340 watts on a 15A fuse?

LOL

That there is what we call creative and I've never in good conscience recommended a product that was so blatently creative with numbers.

They aren't for me. They are fine for some people and in certain applications, but I've never liked them personally.

 

I was just looking at savings and what not. I would prefer the high end Alpines. I've run pioneer, kicker, pyle, jvc, jbl and alpine and Alpine have been the best of the bunch. But I also don't want brand loyalty to limit bang for buck. If I can get the same performance out of less, then I'm all for it. I'm really open to whatever if it's high end audio. I'm really particular about sound but don't know the sciences fully so RMS is what I do know and what I look at primarily. I understand that the OEM headunit wont push shit, but I don't plan to run it forever either. I'm also not Tommy Fat Stacks and can drop money willy nilly either so that goes back to the budget aspect. Basically I want to buy once, cry once (as is TW mantra) and get the best I can for the least amount. Normally I shop SonicElectronix because they have crazy sales around Black Friday (hence the Hifonics amp I have and my previous speakers). My wife has one Alpine Type-R 12 in her Corolla and its great.

TLDR: I miss the sounds quality I was getting in my shitbox with nice speakers now that I have a nice truck with stock crap but not alot of money. So endgame, the "holy shit Alpine speakers" are what I should get or should I be looking at other options is all I'm really asking.

 

If you add an amplifier, it makes sense to get something like the Alpines. If you aren't adding an amplifier, I don't think it's a good idea.

 

Like an inline just to power the doors? Similar to a factory inline like the JBL I assume? You got one you could point me at. The only amplifiers I've messed with are for subs.
I'd assume at least a 6-Channel amplifier with speaker level inputs would be bare minimum but even then I would never hit max RMS of 120 on the first posted component subs.

So lets assume a system that doesn't need one. I'm not here to win sound competitions or expect a concert level performance out of my stereo, but I enjoy heavy bass (which would be accomplished by the rear doors + a dedicated sub) and clear highs and powerful mids. If you were building a system with that in mind, where would you shoot? It seems typically Aftermarket headunits RMS between 20-40. Should I be limiting to that or looking at peak wattage for my RMS readings? I'm learning a lot here and hope you'll bear with me.

 

Have you looked at the Kicker Key amp? That’s what I have running my Focal fronts. It’s small and powers them perfectly.

 

Kenwood has a good option
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_113XP6902C/Kenwood-Excelon-KFC-XP6902C.html?tp=106

 

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