Warning about True North Outback Adventure Co’. formally core outfitters- NATHAN MCDONALD

Nobody really wants to hurt you TNOACO, but they do want their justice with Nathan. Until Nathan pays enough to make people feel whole, either publicly through fines/jail or through complete monetary compensation, you're going to continue to see people actively watching to keep Nathan out of this community. Whether he's an employee or on contract it doesn't matter, associating your business with him through providing him employment of any kind is going to continue to blow back in forums like this. That's just how it is, on some level you have to understand that's how this works. When someone is screwed that hard out of hard earned cash they are going to look for their piece of flesh until things are made right, and if you get involved in any way you're just going to keep getting caught up in the crossfire.

 

For the record , i also lost thousands from that whole ordeal. and no i will not disclose how much or why i still have any association with Nathan. I consider this partially a way for me to feel like i am being paid back. I know that doesn't give you any comfort , but i did not hop on the court band wagon . As far as you being paid back , that is a question for the courts , not me. that is an issue between you , and the courts and the courts and Nathan.

 

Honestly man we are going in circles. You keep placing this imaginary barrier between the two of you and then you somehow expect everyone else here to agree that barrier exists. There is no barrier. He is a part of your business and, as long as he is a part of your business in any way, the community won't leave you alone about it. Not until Nathan pays up. You can tell us over and over again how separate yet together you are with Nathan but, for reasons explained multiple times above, that will never satisfy TW or any other part of the off road community. Again, the off-road community is famous for forgiving, but never forgetting, when someone has done something to the level of what Nathan did. His name is mud and, by letting him speak on social media for your business and post that he's your social media manager, you have become directly tied to Nathan like it or not. No amount of threats, empathy, pleading, etc will untie that noose from your neck. You know the only way to not be associated with Nathan and that is to not employ Nathan actively in your business until he clears his name one way or another. Even then, if people aren't made whole, you will still see some blowback.

I don't have a claim against Nathan. I'm simply a dude who knows people who have been scammed, and scammed for significant amounts of money.

 

There is not a barrier between me and Nathan as far as my business is concerned i don't disagree , but i am not the one that is going to pay you guys for his previous actions , That is between those who were involved with the court case and Nathan , Not me . I agree to never forget what happened , and forgivness is hard coming for Nathan , i get alot of people feel like part of them have been torn out, but its not like i don't feel the same , but i decided to move on and forward and make the best of what i can , some people here want to destroy Nathan , and gone as far to say so , and say many other things and honestly i think saying those things is wrong , regardless , if he killed someone , or raped or was a pedophile it goes into a whole other catagory of person , but he is none of those , i think we all agree on that , some of you feel like you got scammed , and perception is in fact truth , and in this case restitution is not going to come from making me look like an asshole , or dredging my business through the mud. I am not going to pay his debts to anyone involved . I simply want to run my business without getting private messages telling me i am scum and an asshole , and that i need to pay his debts.

Your not wrong , we are going in circles , and i am not asking any of you to stop discussing Nathan , and what he is choosing to do with his time , But True North was born out of my mind , and out of my time and effort and i would significantly appreciate it is it was left out of the equation , leave it on this forum , but taking it elsewhere is costing me time , effort and money . i have much more productive things to do than come here and have a circle jerk discussion with all of you , id rather have a coffee and have mature conversations , which i thank you for having with me today .

 

My analogy isn’t flawed. You go to business, service is bad, you do not go back to said business because of interaction with an employee. You are judging an entire business because of the interaction with an employee. In your case, we already know the employee.

As mentioned, going in circles here. This thread has always been about collecting information so others don’t get scammed. Unfortunately, on other media types posts were getting deleted and people kept falling into the same trap.

I am not suggesting your business will scam people, however there is a portion of your business that has already done this, and therefore makes me and many others not want to risk it. That is our choice.

I cannot control what others post and the choices other make with how they decide to distribute or interpret the information. However, this is information and people can do what they want with it (joys of the internet).

 

Youve never come to my business , nor tried my service. You are suggesting my business will be scammed , what do you think people will think when they read everything here , they will associate my business with scamming , therefore you have implied and said i scam people , therefore i lose business , Yes people can make their own choices , and i am not here begging for your business , those are choices each individual will have to decide for themselves. But even a Ex con needs a job , and just because he killed somebody before doesn't mean you will not go to him for whatever job he does , provided its not killing , mercenary , or a undertaker. what if he is a cashier as a dollarstore , and you recognize him as a excon who killed somebody , yes he is a bad person for what he did , but he obviosuly is just trying to support himself , and maybe a family if he has one. I have not hurt anyone here , nor do i plan do , but someone reads all this , they will pre judge my business , why , well because you all have pre judged my business . therefore i don't even stand a chance to prove myself.

However if that is how YOU want it to be, pre judge my business , and let people associate my business as a scam and make me lose business , and eventually possibly my entire way of earning a living , then fine , so be it . do it your way , i am done fighting all of you , you literally are bullying me . I am tired .

Do whatever you want. If you want me to close my doors , fine , wait 6 months , you want me to be homeless , fine also wait 6 months . you want me to not have food on my table also wait 6 months , because that is what you are doing by dredging my business through the mud . you are making my life difficult , when i neither deserve it nor did anything to have it done to me.

 

Im guessing you didnt like the response your lawyer gave you either?

 

to avoid anymore of the back and fourth that isnt going anywhere I’ll simply say this.

We all have choices.

as consumers, we can make a choice who we do business with. One big influence of that choice is avoiding employees who are dishonest. We also have the choice to share an opinion and experience with others.

Business owners have choices too. They can employ whoever they want (as you have). However, when the face of their company is defined by those employee they have to ensure they make a good choice, have you?

Again, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with your business (if that came across any other way from me, that isn’t the case, I don’t know you or your practices). However, this thread is about staying away from an individual who is slowly paying back the money they owe through the courts as you know.

We all have choices and we can only control our own choices. If your business and your future is simply being affected by this thread, consider the choices you have made. Our choice is avoiding dealing with a certain individual. You know that.

Other then that, not much is going to change in here. People will slowly get their money back and still avoid Nathan like the plague. Very difficult to earn people’s trust back. Don’t know what you want from us.

 

Oh I know I saw that's your profile. I'm saying i wonder what the odds are two people with the same name with forces background in the Ottawa area.

 

You realize that means you were possibly one of the ones that were possibly helping bury any talk of Nathan when all that was going on.



This keeps going back and forth either way there's no other way to put it. Nathan is bad for business. You can't forget that off-road and camping is a very niche market that tends to be a pretty tight community. Even though you keep saying Nathan is separate from it, he is still a face on your brand, a face no one wants to see.
No one is accusing you of scamming people. But we are all aware of your associate scamming people. So obviously people are hesitant to trust your company.

Anyone will look at it as 'ok so he hasn't scammed anyone, but his business partner has. It's a 50/50 I'll get my stuff I'm paying $x000s for. Maybe I should bring my business elsewhere, where there isn't an associate that scams people'

Honestly put yourself is the position of pretty much any customer about to order truck parts for $1000s. When your price isn't going to be anything outrageously cheaper than alternatives, people will rather pay a little more or the same elsewhere where they can feel more comfortable they'll actually receive something.

Pay $1100 from tnoaco with a business partner that's a scamming cunt, pay $1300 from 4wp but you know you'll get your product because it's a much bigger company with a reputation. Most people will pay the extra $200.


Nathan posting for your company is a slap in the face to everyone that got scammed by that piece of shit.

 

Some similar issues happening on the other side of the pond

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/beware-rock-solid-toys.687511/page-11#post-25426886

 

But that's what's causing this to get linked to your business.
I don't get what's so complicated with understanding that.
Look at everywhere now days. Looks change everything for a business/brand.
Look at that girl that got canned from Disney/star wars for her posts online.
Look at any politician (besides Trudeau) that hasn't had to resign over other shit they did whether it be Republicans doing black face, homophobic, transphobic or racist posts. Any shit like that often ends with the person resigning or being fired.

That guy that was on cp24 that said fuck her right in the pussy and worked for cn rail or whatever it was and was fired after.
And be aware a lot of companies wouldn't employ an ex con for this very reason. Yes an ex con has a right to work and are supposed to be 'rehabilitated' when they're released but that past follows them everywhere and a lot of companies will not employ ex cons for that reason. Hurts business. And often times depending what the con was charged with them aren't allowed in places where they could reoffend.

You don't need to look far to see these days that you do anything to fuck up it can put a bad name on a brand or business and quickly have people calling for said persons removal or a boycotting of that business or brand. It is no different here. Nathan is that racist, homophobic etc person to your brand.

It doesn't matter how much you say differently that face is getting attached to your brand.
That is what we're trying to get you to understand here.
If any of this does hurt your business it is not our fault but yours. We've been trying for what, a month? Two months now? To get you to understand Nathan is the one causing this to get linked to your company.

Do you not remember when you first said Nathan was gone that your name got removed from the thread title? Then when Nathan started showing up again your name got dragged back into this thread?

 

Wow! See when I see stuff like that I think of Chris Rockhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjxUjbCr-sg

Instead of complaining that people are hating on your business, how about taking ownership of the fact you made a mistake. Haven't heard you admit that yet @TNOACO.

 

Unlike alot of businesses , i don't do cash in hand , or anything like that , i prefer to have a papertrail , for liability . But also The way i have set my business up , all orders go through the website , then its directly sent to the bank , of which i am the only one who can have access to . Nathan can't touch the bank , no where near it . I have it set so that the issues you all disliked before can't happen , unless i am some evil overlord , of which i have not done a thing to prove i am. Money goes through the site , which a paper trail , to the bank with a paper trail. I rarely will take other forms , and if i do its a E transfer , which also has a paper trail from your bank to my business's . None is ever handled via anything personal. I have done this on purpose to restrict and have accountability on all fronts .

He isn't a partner in this business. i have proved that already. I get we are going in circles , and i dont want that to continue , so i will say this . You all can wait and see if i am who i say i am as far as my business is concerned. You can still be pissed off at Nathan , as i don't blame you for that. But i have built in accountability for just that reason . He neither has authority or has access to any funds given to the company. Therefore he can not "scam" anyone as long as i am at the helm of my business. That is both a contract and promise from me the business owner and you the client. There will always have to be a understanding that i as a business owner serve you as the client with respect to my business. And i will always stand to that. I worked retail , i know how important customer service and communication to the customer is . So you can either understand that and continue to be angry at Nathan , or you don't . Either way i won't lose sleep because i already know i have built in liability and accountability to protect my business and my clients.

Thank you for the on occasion good conversation , Hopefully in the future we can talk about more than this topic.

Greg Hart

 

You do realize how many got screwed by Nathan through e transfer and credit cards right?
I only got my money back because I threatened to call MasterCard about Nathan's fucking around.


You keep going back and forth that Nathan is a partner and isn't and that he can't touch the money. Either way point still stands. Trying to get you to realize Nathan will continue to hurt your business no matter what you think is right or not. His name/face will always hurt a business because of what he did. Doesn't matter how much you plea, him posting on behalf of your brand will have him tied to it and hurting business.


I'll say it again he has dragged you down on this:
First time, his truck was seen in your ads and a bunch of us jumped on it that it's Nathan again and it was posted everywhere. You came here saying you just consulted with him and that was all. We all explained we don't like it. But left it at that, removed the posts on Facebook, removed your name from this thread title.

Few weeks go by no one reality mentioned your name or anything.

Second time, after you said all this he's just a consultant etc he was seen posting on Facebook again advertising for your brand. His linked in said he's a manager at your company. YOURE NAME GOT DRAGGED INTO THIS AGAIN.

Even though you said he wasn't connected, he made you seem like a liar and you got connected to this thread again. Which looking like a liar in all this is hurting you even more.


We're beating a dead horse here now. You come here saying how he can't scam anyone and all this and we keep highlighting he's hurting your business.
One last time in nice big letters for you,

NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY NATHAN ADVERTISING FOR YOU OR IN ANYWAY CONNECTED TO YOUR BRAND IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO HURT YOUR COMPANY WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, OR THINK IT'S FAIR.

 

Changed his name...

 

Haha! What a turd!

 

Whatever your relationship with that piece of shit, anyone who chooses to give him so much as time of day, much less paying work, is automatically in the same camp as him. You do business with Nathan, I don't do business with you. Fuck that loser and anyone who supports him in ANY capacity.

 

Exactly. If you hang out and do business with a thief, I don't care how well intentioned you are, you are essentially in the same camp and will steal just the same.