Any PC Builders Out There?

What socket? Stay away from anything with ES in the name. Ebay has some nice deals on previous gen stuff. Paypal will refund you if someone tries to scam you.

 

Socket G3. I see the 4712MQ on eBay for about $150. What's the deal with ES?

 

i have not played that one looks good tho ill have to check it out

 

My little gaming corner/office

 

How much heat does it put out? Does it get loud being right next to ya?

 

Not a ton of heat, the case is HUGE and I have the CPU and GPU liquid cooled, lots of fans (and I leave the side glass off on one side). It is only loud when I use MSI Afterburner to manually set the fans high for gaming purposes.

 

ES = Engineering Sample. These are sample chips that Intel or AMD sends out to be tested. They are incomplete CPUs that can very unstable and missing features that end up going in the final release. They are very cheap for a reason.

The table on this link may be helpful to you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)#Mobile_processors

Also I was just thinking, the TJunction of laptop cpus is not the same as desktops. For example the 4712MQ is rated to handle 100c. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...4712mq-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-30-ghz.html

 

The 4702mq and 4712mq are popular replacements for the 4700mq and 4710mq due to the 10W decrease in TDP. I'm not sure why they all seem to be only available from China though. Seems the most risky part is the shipping, since the mobile chips still use a PGA socket. My hope would be that the limited cooling performance of the laptop would keep a 37W-chip temps down. Keeping the chip at 90°C+ all the time can't be good for it's lifespan. Though I imagine I won't be doing many things that'll cause temps like P95 does.

 

I wouldn't worry too much about it being from china. There have been tons of examples of the cpu firmware getting hacked to show a higher performing chip than it really is. This makes cpu-z or your bios useless. Use whatever benchmarking tool you want and if it looks wrong, it probably is.

Expect it to happen no matter who the seller is. Pay with paypal and everything will be fine. Paypal is notoriously harsh against sellers and will side with the buyer for no reason at all.

 

I recently unlocked the advanced menu in my BIOS. Looks like i could adjust the behavior of the CPU to behave like a 37W CPU

 

That is mainly used for turbo. Turbo generally far exceed the TDP which is how laptops are now turboing to 5GHz. Many tasks are short term and benefit from these momentary boosts in performance. Longer consistent processes like those in a benchmark or crypto mining don't really benefit from turbo frequencies.

It makes me sad that overclocking isn't what it once was. AMD and Intel have gotten so good at binning that even 10% requires a large increase in power. In 2007 when dual core cpus were still new and vista had just come out. I got a 1.9Ghz and dual core OC to almost 3GHz. I felt like a god with my $60 cpu.

 

My chip sits at about 37W base frequency, 47W with turbo. Seems I can change the TDP 10W in either direction. I was able to get the chip to hold an extra 500MHz turbo on all cores even under P95. I dialed it back a bit with a small undervolt to keep temps down though. I'm assuming the 47x2 chips are better binned to have similar performance while consuming a bit less power. Some say they don't run much cooler though.

 

Intel binning hasn't mattered as much as they say. Even the T models don't perform much differently than a HK once the TDP is set the same. Things are so close to the edge already on power consumption and heat production that there isn't much room to stretch out.

 

Intel 11th-generation Rocket Lake-S gaming CPUs did not impress us

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...-lake-s-gaming-cpus-did-not-impress-us/?amp=1

The Good

• Lower power consumption than 10th-gen Intel desktop CPUs
• Slightly higher power efficiency than 10th-gen Intel desktop CPUs
• Slightly improved integrated graphics compared to 10th-gen Intel desktop CPUs
• Actual presence of integrated graphics—competing Ryzen CPUs have none at all
• Higher single-threaded performance than 10th-gen, equivalent to competing Ryzen 5000 series CPUs

The Bad

• Lower multithreaded performance than 10th-gen
• Massively lower multithreaded performance than Ryzen
• Massively higher power consumption than Ryzen

The Ugly

• Rocket Lake-S seems more like gen-on-gen backsliding than improvement
• AMD processors still offer much higher performance and lower power draw, for roughly the same price

 

Wow, so they released a follow up to the 10th Gen in less that 12 months, but they're somehow not any better? Weird.

 

Intel couldn't get Rocket Lake to the 10nm process, so they had to update the 14nm process best they could. The i5 faired a bit better than the i7 chips.

 

Rocketlake is a very strange release and will be forgotten quickly. Alderlake is Intel really making changes with both a die shrink and new architecture.

On that note, while the 11700K and 11900K are very laughable, the 11600K actually makes sense. Intel, for whatever reason, finally launched a lower core count chip that can boost almost as high as the i7 and i9. So at it's price point, it's pretty attractive if you only game. Otherwise, Ryzen makes more sense at slightly more money (5600X).

 

I'd challenge the power consumption message under the good. Yes, under stock conditions the chips draw slightly less power than the 10th gen. However if you enable any of the boost settings in the MB Bios, which Intel basically told reviewers to do, the 11900K can draw up to 295 watts. That's right, you can have your very own toaster oven, Intel inside! To give comparison, that's about 100 watts over what a 5950X, with double the cores, will draw when it boosts to a similar frequency and unlocked power limit.

 

You can see the response to the launch already. No problem if you want to grab a 11600K this morning, which is the best buy out of the bunch.

 

It's probably more power efficient when all cores are loaded since there's less cores compared to the previous gen, but I'm sure driving one core to 5.3GHz is where that high wattage comes in. Doesn't seem worth it in most cases.