Selecting a light weight wheel/tire combo (TRD Rock Warriors & KO2s)

You don't need pricey wheels, just be conscious of the overall wheel/tire weight for the setups you are evaluating and make decisions accordingly. Do double check the weight ratting for whatever tires you chose, but with C-load you should be well under the need to go to a higher load rating for your rig.

 

I run the Toyo ATII's at 265/75/R16's in the "P" rating, according to Discount Tires website they are 40-49lb/each. Was surprised to see the BFG's are 44lb in C rating. Solid.

 

Check out then new cooper AT3 XLT it’s the lightest tire I could find or from what I read online.

 

I am considering the same set-up as you. Have been torn between KO2s and Wildpeak ATW3 but I seem to be leaning towards KO2s. Can we chat?

 

Your technical knowledge is deeply appreciated and I pray you continue educating Tacoma illiterates like me in the foreseeable future.

I decided to go for the complete OME Lift Kit with 885 springs and full Dakar packs in the rear. I understand this kit will provide 2.5" and 2.75" lifts in the front and rear, respectively. Also, I read your thread on 'mild' lifts and the technical nuisances of lifting.

Which steps should I take to preempt the potential lifting issues you addressed? New UCAs, extended brake lines, etc?
By the way my truck is 2015 V6 Prerunner.

Also, I am looking for a wheel/tire combination with an optimal rotational weight that will not degrade performance. To this end, I ordered a set of SCS's F5 rims (16x8, 4.5"BS and 0 Offset) that weigh 18lb 13ozs a piece. To complete the puzzle, I need a set of durable tires with off-road persona that perform and handle like champs on-road.

Here a couple of facts:

1) Though I will not off-road, I love the off-road look.
2) I am a fan of 16" rims because I love a lot of rubber; so I am shooting for 265/75R16.
3) I am torn between BFG KO2s, Falken Wildpeaks and Toyos; but I am leaning towards KO2s out of dedication attributable to currently running KOs on my 1993 Toyota Pickup beast and my biased opinion that BFG's ATs are the sweetest-looking aggressive ATs on the planet.

Notwithstanding my preferences and biases, I want form to follow function.

Now here are some rim/tire numbers:
SCS F5 weighs 18lbs 13 ounces, 19lbs rounded.
265/75R16 tires.

a) BFG KO2 LR E = 19 + 54 = 73lbs per corner
b) Wildpeak AT3W LR SL = 19 + 44 = 63
c) Toyo Open Country A/T II LR C = 19 + 45 = 64
d) Toyo Open Country A/T III LR E = 19 + 50 = 69

Stock:
16x7 Steelies - 32lbs
245/75R16 tires
BFG Rugged Trail T/A LR SL = 32 + 38 = 70

I'd love your opinions and recommendations.

Cheers

 

Looks like you have done a bunch of research to be on a good path. Excellent choice on light weight wheels. One thing to consider is 265/75R16 might look slightly small on a 2.5" lift.

Here is my truck running 255/75/R17 (32.1" diameter) on 2.25" front and 2.0" rear lift. 265/75/R16 are 31.7" diameter for K02. So your lifting potentially about 1/2" higher and running about 1/2" smaller tires for comparison.


With 265/75R16s your going to avoid any major rubbing headaches. There is a small flap forward of the tire that you might rub in reverse with the wheels locked, that is simple to remove. You might rub the main flaps, I swapped mine to low profile Rokblokz which allows more clearance and looks a little better IMO. With the Rokblokz you shouldn't have any rubbing issues with 265/75/R16.

I'd avoid the weight penalty of the E-load tires. Keep in mind weight placement matters too. Heavy mass on the outside of the rotating assembly (tire) has a larger negative affect than on the inside of a rotating assembly (wheel). Good job on tire research, the ones I was going to suggest were the Toyo ATII in C-load. That saves 36lbs of rotating mass over the E-load KO2s and I would be willing to pay the 1lb penalty over the Wildpeaks to go from a 4ply rated passenger car tire to a 6 ply rated C-load truck tire. Another if wanting a more aggressive looking tire is Goodyear Duratracs, they are available in 265/75R16 C-load at 45lbs. I'm not a big Duratrac fan and if not using it for off road I think the Toyo ATII would be a more sensible choice. Combined with the wheels you have you will be running a larger tire setup and saving weight over stock which is impressive.

As for what else you may need. If you do end up with rear driveline vibes you can try to lower your carrier bearing on the driveshaft by using some washers to space it off the mount before buying a spacer. You will get a better alignment if you went with some SPC adjustable UCAs. Some find the alignment not perfect but acceptable at the height you're looking at. With the extra rear droop that you get with your rear suspension, longer brake lines wouldn't hurt for off road, but since you don't take it off road you are unlikely to max out the suspension to where it would be an issue you need to address. Toyota has their line drop kit with the Baja/Pro suspension, and others like Wheelers make 2" rear extended stainless lines. I'm now running my 2" longer lines with my 2" rear lift. As for the front, the stock UCA ball joint will limit your down travel. If going to SPC UCAs you gain another 1" or so of down travel with a high angle joint, but again if you are not off road it isn't going to come into play and I didn't notice any stretching on mine when I had the UCAs. I'm now running a StopTech BBK which has longer stainless brake lines.

 

Hello there Crash,

You must be prescient with your Toyo recommendation because I completed my tire research last night and narrowed potential candidates to Toyo Open Country AT2 LR C and Falken Wildpeak AT3W LR SL. Since I am dead-set on 265/75R16, I will pick the more aggressive-looking of the two that projects an illusion of bulk and 'beefiness'. I am, needless to say, unhappy BFG KO2 is not in the mix!

Having read so many positive and profuse reviews about the Wildpeak from multiple sources including Tacoma World, I am deeply conflicted with incredulity and admiration and haunted by proverbial truism that if something seems too good to be true, it probably is. Your thoughts on the Wildpeak please.

I am not sure about the level of lift the OME kit will provide and I have been hard-pressed trying to get exact numbers from this forum and Marie, who is fantastic, from Headstrong Offroad. So I decided to get the information from the horse's own mouth, ARBS, with hopes the horse is decisive:



As I indicated, I opted for a complete kit with 2885 coils and complete rear Dakar replacement leaves. Even with this data, I am still not certain about the level of lift to expect. This is complicated by the fact that I will be adding the following pieces of light 'armor' which may have some impact on the lift, hopefully marginal:

1) Avid front bumper guard ---> 35-40 lbs

2) Avid Slider/Step ---> About 40lbs per side (80 lbs total)

3) Fab Fours Rear Premium Bumper ---> 92 lbs

I took some measurements of the current lift on the truck from the center of each hub to the fender and got the following:

Rear (left & right) ----> 22"
Front(driver side) ----> 20.5"
Front(passenger side) ----> 21"
I am assuming the divergent front measurements are attributable to a full gas tank and/or the Tacoma lean.

With these numbers, what is your educated guess about the lift after installation of the OME kit? To forestall any unpleasant surprises, I may opt for the SPC UCAs.

Thanks for your lengthy and informative response; every nugget of advice is dully noted.

Regards.

 

Well, I for one bought the Toyo ATII's purely based on looks and found out after the fact they perform great in many conditions. So it was a win/win. I'm currently on my second back to back set.

 

Cheers!

 

I have the PT75835080 "Baja" wheels with Toyo ATII's in "P" rating tires. Discount Tire has the weight range for the Toyo's at 40-49. Assuming since my tires are the P rating and should be closer to the lower end of that weight range (assume 43lb/each?) that would put my total wheel/tire weight rating at 66lb/each. I should remove a wheel and weigh it to see how close it is.

 

So in the end you sacrificed performance for a larger tire diameter.

Lightest combo I have found that was lighter than stock but larger diameter was
265/75/16 Hancook dynapro ATMs 37lbs
FN Countersteer rims ~19lbs

Did you consider those? I had the Hancooks in Wyoming on plenty of trails and did fine (except mud which no tire will get through in WY)

 

I just posted my set of these wheels w/ D load KM3's up for sale.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...-lug-wheels-w-255-75r17-km3s-set-of-5.683713/

 

Hey @crashnburn80, thanks for all the info on wheels/tires. By your experience, which has more impact on performance (power, braking, etc) - the weight of the tire or the diameter of the tire?

 

The taller wheel is taller gearing, so a taller wheel will be slower.
I am unsure about braking.

Roughly 10lbs for rotational weight change equates to 100lbs chassis weight change.
So if your new wheels are 2.5lbs each heavier, that is 10lbs of more rotational weight which will act like the vehicle has an extra 100lbs. It may not be that noticeable.
I replaced the 4 stock '85 GMC K3500 SRW steel wheels with 4 aftermarket aluminum wheels that weighed 22lbs less Each! The truck dives Very differently with 88lbs less rotational weight.
Remember that wheel weight also affects braking, acceleration, and suspension.

 

Brand new 2019 255-75-17 BFG KO2 C rated on the 17" Rock Warrior weighed 72.5lbs on my scale.
BFG says that tire weighs 45lbs.

 

Bare rim weighs 28lbs
265-70-17 Toyo Open Country ATIII weighs 69lbs.

 

The Toyo site says even the LT is only 48 pounds.

 

I’ve been doing a lot of hunting for light weight wheels lately and thought I would share this one. A light weight option to consider for Tacoma 16” is the 16x8 +0 Vision Flow 351. Reasonably priced and only 21lbs, they are 2lbs lighter than the stock 2nd Gen OR 16x7.5s. My old TRD Rock Warriors were 17x7.5 +6 offset. So the Vision Flows at +0 will move the wheel 6mm further out to the fender.
https://www.visionwheel.com/wheel/14765/VisionWheel/351 Flow?finishID=3293

The wheels have a hub bore of 110mm vs the Tacoma’s 106.1mm, so hubcentric rings for 110mm->106.1 are recommended.

I went through the same for my JT dropping weight for 17s from 24.4 to 24.0 while moving the wheel out 7.2mm toward the fender and increasing wheel width from 7.5” to 8” to support 37s with the Vision Flows.
Warning Jeep pic!

 

They aren't horrible. They just really look like aftermarket wheels. One spot where TRD carries a lot of weight is at the wheels (PUN definitely intended.)

 

Agreed. TRD has several excellent wheel options, I loved the Rock Warriors. The Visions have some great numbers though for those looking to minimize weight.