1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Replace rear driveshaft with one piece?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by JMS1, Apr 6, 2021.

  1. Apr 6, 2021 at 4:54 PM
    #1
    JMS1

    JMS1 [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Member:
    #126370
    Messages:
    74
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2021 TRD OR Tacoma, KDMAX tuned
    2021 Tacoma TRD OR, KDMAX-Pro with Kreg's custom shifting, 3” lift, SPC upper control arms, Victory 4x4 Blitz aluminum winch bumper, Warn Zeon 10S
  2. Apr 6, 2021 at 4:56 PM
    #2
    a2lowvw

    a2lowvw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2021
    Member:
    #352533
    Messages:
    1,956
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Justin
    Bothell, Wa
    Vehicle:
    2019 DCSB Limited
    Stuff and things
    They have a very good reputation. I seem to have got my vibrations under control but looked at those while I was working through the vibes.
     
  3. Apr 6, 2021 at 4:57 PM
    #3
    lynlan1819

    lynlan1819 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2016
    Member:
    #181268
    Messages:
    6,539
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Tacoma
    Lifted
    Why bother if 99% of your vibes are gone ?
     
    Mully likes this.
  4. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:03 PM
    #4
    Evenflow

    Evenflow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2013
    Member:
    #108344
    Messages:
    5,773
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jason
    San Diego, CA
    Vehicle:
    06' DCSB 4x4
    Yes
    i’ve had a couple of them. call them and ask them to teach you about max drive shaft rpm’s and how re gearing can affect it. You can have serious speed limitations with a long one piece. IE: a second gen auto with 4:56 is limited to 70 mph
     
  5. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:26 PM
    #5
    JMS1

    JMS1 [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Member:
    #126370
    Messages:
    74
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2021 TRD OR Tacoma, KDMAX tuned
    2021 Tacoma TRD OR, KDMAX-Pro with Kreg's custom shifting, 3” lift, SPC upper control arms, Victory 4x4 Blitz aluminum winch bumper, Warn Zeon 10S
    Thank you for the reply, that would have never crossed my mind. Would my stock geared truck with an auto have that type of limitation?
     
  6. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:27 PM
    #6
    JMS1

    JMS1 [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Member:
    #126370
    Messages:
    74
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2021 TRD OR Tacoma, KDMAX tuned
    2021 Tacoma TRD OR, KDMAX-Pro with Kreg's custom shifting, 3” lift, SPC upper control arms, Victory 4x4 Blitz aluminum winch bumper, Warn Zeon 10S
    I thought that the one piece would be better with the double cardan and no carrier bearing.
     
  7. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:29 PM
    #7
    Mully

    Mully Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2014
    Member:
    #122907
    Messages:
    5,238
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chris
    CA
    Vehicle:
    12 DC 4x4 Lifted Sport
    Lifted, Kings, Locked, 295s and more.
    Check out Tom Woods driveshafts.
     
  8. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:35 PM
    #8
    jandrews

    jandrews Hootin' and Hollerin'

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2009
    Member:
    #18122
    Messages:
    16,432
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    '09 FourDubDee TRD OR
    A-TRUCK, Fat Kid in the Bed, Custom Pinstriping, Ported and Polished Muffler Bearing, Hi-Performance Bed Mat

    Couple things to add in here: This is dependent on shaft material and tube diameter. The shaft can easily be built past what tolerances you would need.

    Also, tire height plays a role. Remember, larger tires in your vehicle are effectively the same as gearing the driveline higher in terms of usage.
     
  9. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:40 PM
    #9
    JMS1

    JMS1 [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Member:
    #126370
    Messages:
    74
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2021 TRD OR Tacoma, KDMAX tuned
    2021 Tacoma TRD OR, KDMAX-Pro with Kreg's custom shifting, 3” lift, SPC upper control arms, Victory 4x4 Blitz aluminum winch bumper, Warn Zeon 10S
    Have you had good luck with them?
     
  10. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:42 PM
    #10
    JMS1

    JMS1 [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Member:
    #126370
    Messages:
    74
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2021 TRD OR Tacoma, KDMAX tuned
    2021 Tacoma TRD OR, KDMAX-Pro with Kreg's custom shifting, 3” lift, SPC upper control arms, Victory 4x4 Blitz aluminum winch bumper, Warn Zeon 10S
    The tires I have are only 32.5". I don't mind the investment if it will be an improvement and trouble free. Is this not a mod that is done much in the Tacoma world?
     
  11. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:46 PM
    #11
    splitbolt

    splitbolt Voodoo Witch Doctor

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2010
    Member:
    #32761
    Messages:
    7,858
    Gender:
    Male
    NW Arkansas
    Vehicle:
    2016 TRD OFFROAD DCSB MGM
    With a double cardan one-piece, the pinion working angle needs to be 0. You'll need to shim until the pinion slope matches the shaft slope.

    +1 on researching critical speed
     
  12. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:48 PM
    #12
    JMS1

    JMS1 [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Member:
    #126370
    Messages:
    74
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2021 TRD OR Tacoma, KDMAX tuned
    2021 Tacoma TRD OR, KDMAX-Pro with Kreg's custom shifting, 3” lift, SPC upper control arms, Victory 4x4 Blitz aluminum winch bumper, Warn Zeon 10S
    Sounds like maybe I am just asking for trouble?
     
  13. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:54 PM
    #13
    jandrews

    jandrews Hootin' and Hollerin'

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2009
    Member:
    #18122
    Messages:
    16,432
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    '09 FourDubDee TRD OR
    A-TRUCK, Fat Kid in the Bed, Custom Pinstriping, Ported and Polished Muffler Bearing, Hi-Performance Bed Mat
    Are you having trouble with your current driveshaft? If not, why are you fixing it?
     
    zoo truck likes this.
  14. Apr 6, 2021 at 5:56 PM
    #14
    Mully

    Mully Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2014
    Member:
    #122907
    Messages:
    5,238
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chris
    CA
    Vehicle:
    12 DC 4x4 Lifted Sport
    Lifted, Kings, Locked, 295s and more.
    I have installed them in everything from stock vehicles to 400 HP off-road monsters. Never had a problem that wasn't my own fault. 400 HP small block Chevy, 5.88 gears, locked, scared the shit out of anyone who rode in it. Tom Woods Shafts.

    Frontnewtop(1).jpg
     
  15. Apr 6, 2021 at 6:17 PM
    #15
    splitbolt

    splitbolt Voodoo Witch Doctor

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2010
    Member:
    #32761
    Messages:
    7,858
    Gender:
    Male
    NW Arkansas
    Vehicle:
    2016 TRD OFFROAD DCSB MGM
    One concern in raising the pinion is oil starvation at the pinion bearing.
    99% is good enough.

    If you have to replace, I'd recommend a 2-piece w/ center double cardan. This requires setting the transfer case and pinion working angles the same; A=C, B is self cancelling. This requires adjusting the carrier bearing and pinion angle.

    The way Toyota set up the 3rd Gen 2-piece(w/ standard u-joints), uses the A+B+C=0 method to cancel working angles.
    It's common in this design to set the first working angle(A) at 1°; just enough to 'work' the u-joint needles. Toyota went 3.5°. When added to the "B" working angle, it means the "C" working angle has to be even greater in order to cancel them.
     
  16. Apr 6, 2021 at 6:23 PM
    #16
    Evenflow

    Evenflow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2013
    Member:
    #108344
    Messages:
    5,773
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jason
    San Diego, CA
    Vehicle:
    06' DCSB 4x4
    Yes
    I was speaking specifically to what he is look at and specifically what Tom Woods sells. No, they can’t easily build one past what he needs due to the length and diameter restrictions. If you don’t believe me call them tomorrow and report back. They will build you a 4” vs the 3.5” but that is as big as you can go before it rubs the gas tank when the rear axle articulates. re: drive shaft max rom’s even with the 4” ie: if you have 35’s even with just 4:10’s it will reach critical around 70mph. They use Dana calcs which do err on the side of caution a bit.
     
  17. Apr 6, 2021 at 6:54 PM
    #17
    JMS1

    JMS1 [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Member:
    #126370
    Messages:
    74
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2021 TRD OR Tacoma, KDMAX tuned
    2021 Tacoma TRD OR, KDMAX-Pro with Kreg's custom shifting, 3” lift, SPC upper control arms, Victory 4x4 Blitz aluminum winch bumper, Warn Zeon 10S
    Well it looks like this is not just as simple as replacing the axle bearing with a bushing. My vibration is very minimal and could just be tires. I had no idea there was so much to consider in replacing the drive shaft. Would it help to possibly shim the carrier bearing down to reduce the angle and make it straight? It would be far more affordable. Dumb question but when did Toyota stop using zerk fittings? Thank you all.
     
  18. Apr 6, 2021 at 7:17 PM
    #18
    Evenflow

    Evenflow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2013
    Member:
    #108344
    Messages:
    5,773
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jason
    San Diego, CA
    Vehicle:
    06' DCSB 4x4
    Yes
    It’s honestly not complicated just ask all the right questions. Shimming the rear axle is very easy to properly set the pinion angle too. The one piece is a huge win over the oe set up, your drive line will feel so much more solid and zero vibes.
     
    JMS1[QUOTED][OP] likes this.
  19. Apr 6, 2021 at 7:20 PM
    #19
    79CHKCHK

    79CHKCHK Padawan of Rock Lobster

    Joined:
    May 20, 2019
    Member:
    #293877
    Messages:
    680
    Gender:
    Male
    SoCal no mo
    Vehicle:
    2018 Super White TRD Pro AT
    Tom Woods delivers an excellent product. I don't have any experience with the Toyota products, but his drive shafts are the gold standard in the Wrangler TJ world. Do your research and understand what you need, call Tom Woods if have to. I wouldn't hesitate to use any of his shafts.
     
    JMS1[OP] likes this.
  20. Apr 6, 2021 at 8:49 PM
    #20
    jandrews

    jandrews Hootin' and Hollerin'

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2009
    Member:
    #18122
    Messages:
    16,432
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    '09 FourDubDee TRD OR
    A-TRUCK, Fat Kid in the Bed, Custom Pinstriping, Ported and Polished Muffler Bearing, Hi-Performance Bed Mat
    All may be true of Tom Woods. There are plenty of shops out there that can make you a shaft from chromoly and other higher strength alloys.

    Not a necessary item in my opinion either way. Stock shaft is fine.
     

Products Discussed in

To Top