Electric Tacoma coming

Good Google question...lol

 

I love the fantastic gas powertrains we have today. My car's 5L V8 is joy to use and listen to.

Now, having said that today's drive trains come from the massive IR&D spent over the last decade.

We will benefit for years to come, but we are at peak gas/transmission now. The IR&D across the auto industry is shifted and pouring into electrification.

A decade from now electric will not only outperform the best gas drive trains, but I'd wager will cost less due to fewer parts, better manufacturing scale and significant value engineering and ever-growing EV supply chain chain capability. Once the manufacturing volumes pivot to EVs the gas power train costs will soar due to....shrinking scale, shrinking supply chain, limited value engineering.

Enjoy it, the next gas power train in the next gen Tacoma/Tundra will be the best gas one...ever. And, likely will be the last best one....ever.

 

Don't know if you're being sarcastic but this is happening now. Though batteries are the most expensive item in an EV and the price is steadily dropping.

 

After the Federal tax credit, the Lightning is the first EV I've seen which like-for-like prices out like it's gas counterpart. I agree with you, batteries #1 cost and their cost is dropping and will drop even faster as the supply chain scales up. I'm not a big Tesla fan, for those that are that's fine. But I have to credit Tesla and Panasonic for showing the world what can happen when you industrial-scale batteries.

I was getting ready to go drive a Polestar 2 when Ford revealed the Lightning. As revealed it is a smashing capability/price point for an XLT. I would definitely get the extended range version.

I'm still going to go test drive a Polestar 2 and a Q5 E-Tron this summer.

Now I'm going to wait a bit on moving out and take a look at the 2022 Q4 E-Tron, Polestar 2 and the Lightning are all closer in. I did put $100 for a place in line on the Lightning.

Yes, very divergent vehicles. I want an EV for my commute and the HOV lane access. Ideally, I'll get an EV and keep the Tacoma for off-roading.

Edit...additional comment. Whichever EV I get it will be a lease. The battery technology and EV range is evolving so quickly that I'm looking forward to that 2025 EV having more range/faster charging/less weight for same $$ as 2022. Frankly with the performance of the pending 2022 EV's I don't need (but always want) quicker/more powerful.

 

I wish i was in a position to buy an EV truck. I'd still go for the RIVIAN. 400 miles and armor for $85k. I think that people will not be able to deal with the 230 or 300 mile range. I hope they know what they're getting into. But personally I want to wait until for Solid State batteries to come out. potentially 50% weight savings in battery weight to lithium and sub 20 min charge time. I say in the next 10 years Toyota will have a pickup with Solid State batts so Im gonna be patient just a bit longer.

 

My last Ranger had 300 mile range. 4.0L w/18 gallon tank. Stock lift & wheels.

 

I timed this today (yea, seriously). I filled up 12 3/8 tanks in 6 minutes. That's 2 min/gal or, to match the Tesla measurement using the 18.3 mpg I average over the life of the vehicle, 9 miles per minute.

Compared to the Tesla model 3's 15 miles per minute at a quick charge station.

I realize it's an apples to bananas comparison, but I don't know what the Tesla truck or the Lightning's range/charge time is. Still, some important perspective to consider when the argument is, "I can fill up and be back on the road in 5 minutes!" Plus as we've been discussing, technology is rapidly advancing.

This was something I was thinking as well. If I had a landscaping business, I'd totally rock out in a lightning, and cut clients discounts if I could charge my truck in their driveway (if they also had an EV) while I scape their land.

It's definitely giving me pause around the idea of selling the Supra. I want a vehicle with a clutch that I can just pleasure drive. If Toyota's coming out with an EV Tacoma in the near future, I will probably want to trade my current one in for it, in which case getting rid of the Supra would turn in to a giant regret.

But keeping it... without AC...

I disagree. You're starting each day with the equivalent of 3/4 tank of gas if you plug it in each night when you get home. Unless you have a significant commute that drains the battery, or you frequently go on road trips, I don't think the average Joe would be too phased by a 230 mile range.

At 18 MPG, I technically have a 380 mile range from completely full to bone dry empty, but I'm usually refilling at around 300 miles anyways. So every 10 days or so, I am making an additional trip to a gas station for 10 minutes to refill. That's 6 hours a year that I am putting gas in my truck, before taking into consideration any road trips or vacations. That's 6 hours that an EV gives back annually because I just plug it in when I get home, and unplug it when I want to run around town. Not a lot, but it's not nothing.

 

A relative said he drove from Arizona to Milwaukee in his Tesla. A incredible amount of stops and he said “I had to charge up and needed to kill an hour.” A hour almost every charge and he had to stop to charge a lot . No thanks ! Gas up, bathroom, grab some Red Bull, beef jerky and drive 400 miles…..repeat!

 

Concur, today's EVs are not for you, or your relative. And that's cool.

 

I’m averaging about 15k a year which works out to ~41 miles a day. Only a few times each year at most do I exceed the 200 mile minimum range and by the time I’m again in the market I expect that range to double at least. Gas stations don’t always have open pumps. Sometimes you have to wait 15-20 minutes or more before you can even start to fill up. I can’t fill my tank at home. The time taken on long trips would already be well covered by the time saved the rest of the year.

 

@bagleboy

Gas stations are everywhere here in Louisiana. A minute or two wait would be very abnormal.

 

Once everything uses a battery,the ocean will then be full of batteries,as everything seems to end up in the ocean,just a thought.

 

"It was anounced Thursday (5/20/21) that Ford is forming a joint venture with SK Inovation of Korea to build two North American Factories to make batteries for 600,000 electric vehicles per year. SK already has a factory in Commerce GA. to supply batteries for the F150, due in showrooms next spring. Ford said the two plants combined would produce the equivalent of 60 gigawatt hours of electircity per year. That's equal to batteries for 600,000 Mustang Mach E extended range SUVs which can go about 300 miles per charge. President Biden plans to spend 15 Billion to build half a million charging stations by 2030 as well as offer Billions in unspecified tax credits and rebates to cut the cost of the vehicles and make them more appealing to buyers." - Associated Press

 

I posted this to show how serious Ford is about the future of the EV in North America, and IMHO, Toyota is alsleep at the wheel, while Ford is flooring it.

 

You are 100% incorrect.

 

Toyota does extensive R&D for it's vehicles. They have the most EV's on the planet. They are hardly asleep at the wheel. I'd rather them take longer and get it right than rush something out. They have a BEV coming next year. The pickups will be coming within 5-7 years. Most likely with Solid State batteries.

 

I'm guessing new Tundra 3.5TT will get 18mpg. Not great but much better than 14mpg.

 

New Tundra sneak peek

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