Active Rev Match

Yeah, I wouldn't want autoblip either, but you tagged me dammit! I just want consistent rev matching, like every other M/T I've ever driven.. ever lol

 

I haven't messed with that third map either, but we would call that RTAM? ATRA or ATRTA was thoroughly messed with. For me and my Taco, interpolating the whole map was spot on.

 

I would suspect that vehicles with auto blip may have more than neutral safety and reverse switches in the gearbox like we do. Then again, it could be all computer guesswork based on throttle, clutch switch brake switch, rate of accel/deceleration etc. What I can say is the slow assed response from our setup is going to be problematic for anyone trying what OP speaks of!

 

I have never tried it myself, but I can't see myself liking it as I completely enjoy rev matching shifts. The bigger the rev difference, the more I, personally, enjoy it.


I have sampled quick shifters on bikes. Not my cup of tea either, but I was really impressed how smooth it was at all revs and speeds that I dared to try.

 

From what I have seen in the past is that quick shifters on bikes can be added with just a load cell bonded to the shifter that does a quick spark cut to unload the driveline. I have never sampled this type, but folks say that it is smooth. So, I can imagine that AutoBlip like the one that came with the newer 370z could be done easily. I think the new Corolla MTs have a version of it also?

 

AutoBlip is your scarlet letter. TW never forgets.


Sorry, but it does make me laugh for some stupid reason.

 

Yeah that second map in your post is the one I want to test next.
I tried the full interpolation of ATRTA like you described, but with the gear map setup I was running, it was just waaay too twitchy for me, especially on the highway. I've since been using less angry and graduated slope of my own making. The linearity is still there, in that it's the same at any speed, if that makes sense.

 

yes

 

That is interesting. After fixing the ALC error in my first version, my group of edits has never felt twitchy. Of course, we could be talking about two completely different vehicles given the strange inconsistencies that Toyota gave us. The only descriptor that I have for my last version on my Taco was that the throttle was linear to a fault. I loved it, but it took a full week to get completely used to.

 

Yeah and let's not forget I'm running all six gear maps and you are effectively running one.. so that's going to make a difference!

Here's my latest ATRTA edit.. you can see what I'm trying to do lol:



...and it allows for good control in 4lo, as long as, again, your gear maps aren't retarded.

 

Yep. Some days I envy that, and others, I am think that I am happy with the STMP. Still, there is always the question of all having all gears but 5th and 6th on one map and those on an separate "efficiency" map. The counterpoint is that I can accelerate well enough in 6th from 35mph on up. Having good torque in the OD gears works well.


Yeah. That looks very reasonable, if it is a primary throttle table. It seems to feel like one, but with this ECU, it is hard to know for sure.

 

I was thinking along the same lines, with the OD gears either stock or close to it with an ATRTA map like mine. I've found that having a wider range of pedal control in 6th with an unmolested (or minimally so) gear map definitely returns better mpg. Oh and it's way less annoying to drive lol

 

That is pretty funny because I remember being kicked in the nuts for suggesting that when the STMP was first mentioned. Hahaha!



On the less annoying side, are you talking about on / off throttle stuff? My edits did pretty good there, but Ultimate seems about as good as I can remember on other well tuned MTs.

 

Haha no doubt lol.
But, you'll probably remember at the time we were after throttle/response consistency across the board.. well we got it almost. Blip was and is still all over the place.
Ok, so there's two parts to the on/off throttle stuff in my case:
1. Low speed/high gear driving is good for me now, but I did have some on/off jerkiness unless I was super deliberate with the pedal. This boiled down to my PTET primary map zero column being too negative (I like more engine braking rather than less) in the 1000-1500 range. I think I've got it at about -6.25 right now, which seems perfect for me. I think stock is around -5.0?
2. Highway driving in 6th 60-65mph. I had this pattern of over acceleration to maintain speed, let off, decelerate too fast, rinse repeat. The range of pedal travel this would happen in was very small. Turned out I had to change the ATRTA to what you see in my previous post and put PTET G6 back to a more stock looking setup. It's very smooth now, although some wouldn't like how much you need to push the skinny pedal I suppose.

All of this fucking around and trying stuff means that if there's something I don't like about M/T ultimate, I know where to start looking lol

 

Oh yeah. Times were different pre-2.0.

I'm right there with you:


Stock was all over the place:




That was the big deal with my last tune. Using all of the pedal travel was the thing. It was more deliberate and took a while to get used to but was perfect for me.

 

I’ve seen it in the corvettes. I’m sure other stuff does it too

 

I laughed out loud at some of those comments, but in all seriousness I think this sums it up: In a perfect world, the Tacoma MT would be enjoyable to drive—it isn’t. The accumulator and Drive-by-wire are completely to blame. That said, I love the Tacoma and enjoy driving a crappy MT over an AT (the biggest reason therefore is that I “usually” prefer the solid coupling between the motor and tranny that a clutch offers vs the fluid coupling of an AT). Also it’s just cool, a relic of the past in many ways
Since the good people of Toyota insist on letting the truck override and augment my driver inputs anyway, I may as well have it work for me, hence my desire for auto rev match.

 

Are you tuned currently?

 

I’m not. I know it’s technically reversible and it’s not something I’m likely to have my warranty voided over, but I had a few bad experiences modding my last car and am wanting to stay as stock as possible.

 

Well said. Thanks for the explanation.