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I'm so frustrated with my new Fox 2.5s.

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Dodgers, Jun 11, 2021.

  1. Jun 20, 2021 at 7:50 AM
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    Yep, that's a wide wheel and definitely not helping your cause. @vorkuta775 can tell you all of the challenges of fitting such a wide wheel.
     
  2. Jun 20, 2021 at 7:53 AM
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    Move forward now. Accept what things are & Make things work with what you have or abandon the whole F’ing setup. I understand your frustration about it but shit, there’s no going back.

    i had similar issues to you. So I ordered a 650 lb 14 spring and Had it readjusted. I still one day may bring it down a little in the front but then I like a bit of rear end rake for hauling shit. Oh and Its important to note; I wasn’t looking for lift just a little more clearance for larger tires.

    I run 35x12.5x17s. Front bumper, front skid, sliders, and a winch.

    I run over the 21 inch of shock measurement, and I still think it handles OKAY on and good enough off road. Is it perfect; F NO.

    I also have accepted the fact when you modify shit, like others mentioned above, there’s not a simple solution to each individual truck. You just gotta adapt and overcome and be okay with things that aren’t perfect even if you spent big bucks. Otherwise you’ll spiral into frustration.

    I also found out that by running trails and not scrolling on the forums about problems I think I have had made me a much happier person.

    Good luck OP. And Go Dodgers.

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  3. Jun 20, 2021 at 7:57 AM
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    There is not one single truer statement on TW.
     
  4. Jun 20, 2021 at 8:08 AM
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    Serious cutting, tubbing, and moving the wheel center forward.
     
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  5. Jun 20, 2021 at 8:26 AM
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    Well tons of people here have them. Why do theirs work??
     
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    Most likely they don't. But as mentioned before, there's a lot of variables and someone's acceptance of rubbing is different than yours.

    First, max out your caster. Second, trim to fit.

    I hope you're not running spacers...
     
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  7. Jun 20, 2021 at 8:28 AM
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    Ok so when my truck was on a 3” level kit after I did the CMC I had zero rubbing. Then I had the Fox 2.5s installed. The front is now 2” lower then it was with the 3” level kit. I measured. Now I have terrible rubbing. Why are people here saying that lift has nothing to do with rubbing when I see the exact opposite???
     
  8. Jun 20, 2021 at 8:31 AM
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    I don’t need spacers. It’s at a -12 offset. This was an approved wheel and tire on tire rack with a 3” lift installed. Tire rack was correct. I had zero rubbing. Then I installed the Fox 2.5s and that lowered the front about 1.5-2” and everything changed. My caster is as far forward as it can go.
     
  9. Jun 20, 2021 at 8:43 AM
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    I've got 33inch tires on a stock TRD OR and only have slight rub at full crunch with the wheel turned.

    255/85 r16 on stock OR wheels
     
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  10. Jun 20, 2021 at 8:46 AM
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    Alignment could be different after the suspension change. Think about what we have said about the suspension being fully compressed... if the suspension is compressed, there is no more lift.
     
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  11. Jun 20, 2021 at 9:01 AM
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    I’m thinking about either putting on 14” 700lbs springs or a 1.5-2” spacer. Will both raise the front of my truck?
     
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    It's because you never compressed your suspension with the spacer lift on enough to rub. A lift simply does not affect tire clearance other than at resting height. The reason people think more lift = bigger tires is because those people do not fully compress their suspension.

    An example: say you're running a 33" tire/wheel combo which would rub on your fender if the hub to fender measurement at any time goes lower than 19 inches. With stock suspension, this would mean that if you compressed the shock more than 2 inches by hitting a bump, you'd get rub (stock hub to fender is 21 inches). So you lift your truck by 3 inches, which means you can now compress the shock by 5 inches before you get rub. The lift doesn't actually prevent rubbing, it just means it takes more compression to do so.

    No matter how high you make that initial resting point through a lift, if you hit it hard enough the tire ends up in the same place. The only way to prevent rubbing no matter what is to put the truck on jacks, take the spring off your coilover and then lift the tire all the way to the bumpstop at all steering angles and trim whatever hits. Everything else is a bandaid that will only work if you don't fully cycle the suspension. For trucks that remain on the street, full compression is rare or never happens which is why you see guys saying "oh I put a 3" lift on and never rub!". It just means they've never hit anything hard enough to have rub.
     
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    Because you are evaluating rub at ride height and not full bump to full droop.
     
  14. Jun 20, 2021 at 9:21 AM
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    I would think it’s impossible to not rub at full bump regardless of any setup if you are using larger then stock wheels and tires.
     
  15. Jun 20, 2021 at 9:24 AM
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    Nope.
     
  16. Jun 20, 2021 at 9:37 AM
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    Well then I would think all the successful ones would be listed in a sticky here. It’s not like every one of these trucks comes differently off the assembly line. They’re all identical.
     
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    I don't understand why you're asking for advice if you won't listen to what is being said. You modified the truck, put big tires, wide wheels with a low offset, etc. To fit it, you will need to cut. If you cut and it still doesn't fit, you will either need to cut more or put on smaller tires. This isn't rocket science. It's a pickup truck with a lift kit.
     
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    It's possible but don't be squeamish. :sawzall::welder:

    The best thread is the fitting 35's thread. You'll see how to approach functionally fitting tires.

    Also the Marlin Crawler RCLT suspensions seem to be finally shipping.
     
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    I’ve already done all this. I have listened. It’s still didn’t work. The advice is all over the place here. Consistency is unheard of for this subject. However I’m going to keep trying. I have zero problem cutting. I’ve already done that. I’ve already done a cab mount shop. I would be glad to list out exactly what my truck looks like including pictures, exactly what tires and wheels, exactly what suspension I have and exactly what I would like to accomplish. If I did that can someone here please let me know what I need to do or if it’s impossible for it to work?
     

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