2022 Tundra Redesign

I don’t think it’s that simple.

 

It is not a matter of being simple. It is fact. Accept it and prepare for it. We are living in a different world today.

 

Yes, I understand that we won’t be expecting durable and reliable trucks in the future.

 

I think Toyota will surprise us with some options.

 

That is not true either. You sound like you are very young. If you go back over the years and look how things have been developed you will see that they tend to get better over time. If you remember the very first version of Microsoft Windows 3.1 and how it would crash or freeze up back in the day. Now today’s windows versions rarely ever do that. The world is changing right before our eyes. I understand humans don’t like change but we can not continue to live the same way we have been living for the past 100 years if we are ever gone no to continue to exist in this universe

 

This is agreeable, as general philosophy on life.

But in actual practice new vehicles are quite annoying to those who are not the masses who pay for them. What is someone supposed to buy in 10-20 years if they don’t want a vehicle that does everything for them and is an elaborate computer instead of a mechanical easy to work on, easy to fix, and doesn’t do anything unless you make it, vehicle? Used… very very used. If it wasn’t for rust ruining them all I’d be collecting old Toyotas to last me until I die haha.

 

I agree, and I believe the ever increasing emissions rules have got to be returning less and less results The stricter they get. Not sure if I make sense.

 

Well you got a good point there but when you say the masses that is just it. American business cater to the masses and billy bob the neighborhood mechanic who is very good at fixing carburetors and engines that were built 25 years Do you honestly think that American corporations are going to market their products to people like this. It is simple basic 101 American business called marketing. Welcome to capitalism American style

 

No I fully understand products are made for the masses who buy them. Completely.

But you disagreed with the comment that stated more or less that trucks will be less reliable and durable. Then point out the masses get what they want. Well the masses want a computer that makes decisions for you. Those are inherently less reliable than a more simple machine (and not as easy to fix).

So now that we’ve come full circle, trucks will be ruined for the few to make the many happy, that will mean less durable and reliable and more technological and automated, and while you and many may like that, the person you assumed is “young” because they stated a viable point seems to be correct. Open to being dissuaded but the as of now conclusion is that young people aren’t that dumb and trucks are being ruined. Or whatever.


Now someone build me a DCLB Tundra with a V8 that’s heavy duty enough to compete with GM/Ford, but still Toyota Tundra reliable and durable (and simple / in the Stone Age), thanks.

 

We know it's going to be a twin turbo v6, any guesses on power? We have the Land cruiser numbers but I wonder if the Tundra will see an increase.

 

Considering history I would assume very similar. Then again considering history I would assume the Tundra would have a 6 speed, a V8 and no extras haha.

 

I am seeing that the 2023 Sequoia is possibly coming in just 8 months to market and ordering opens in just 12 weeks, so perhaps it will debut at LAIAS? 2022 Tacoma is definitely 100% Mexico if that is the case, as it has probably been built out at TMMTX as they retool for Sequoia.

Same here. People are entitled to their opinions, but anyone (not necessarily you) claiming GMC or Chevy as Toyota's inspiration, really isn't paying much attention and doesn't see how GM has been cribbing from Toyota or doing a poor job of staying within their own lane. Countless OEMs have copied the Tacoma at this point in fact.

All of us know how evolutionary Toyota has been in terms of designing new vehicles and this Tundra is simply a larger Tacoma with cues from other body on frames they sell and maybe a little last gen Ford Raptor and contemporary Volvo in the headlights. Outside of that, not much else.

GM went from their mid-90s design for the GMT800s (August 1998 launch; refreshed late 2002) to later incorporating cues seen on various Toyota trucks in the 2000s and 2010s, yet Toyota is somehow copying them? Seeing similarities is a natural inference to make, but copycat claims seems a bit too much. I never try and point the finger, because everyone working here has similar ideas and one never knows what the other is doing behind closed doors, especially if dev. timelines overlap enough.

I think Toyota needs to give Volvo and Ford a thank you call, while GM can go kick rocks on that subject, as Toyota deserves way more credit for their originality at times. A lot of 2005 Tacoma and 2007 Tundra showed up in the competition, so it explains a lot today.

 

There is only so much you can do to differentiate 1 truck from another. Its 4 wheels, a bed and cab. Aerodynamics are Aerodynamics, so that dictates alot of what the shape will be.

 

Especially cars/CUVs people always say how they all look the same and never realize it’s because they all have the same aerodynamics to work with!

 

Ok look at this way when Toyota first put in a v8 for its tundra was it all that reliable and durable I think not. Just like when Toyota put a new engine in its Tacoma back in 2016 people were complaining about the performance of new engine Fast forward 5 years later I don’t see any complaints about the Tacoma new engine. Just go look at the Tacoma board 5 years back. My point is this as new technology is introduced in these cars and trucks it tends to get better over time.

 

Um, yes, the early Tundra engines are the most reliable. Those are the ones that make it to a million miles and most sought after in their other vehicles like the LandCruiser, LX/GX platforms, and 4th Gen 4Runner.

And people still hate the new Tacoma engine, myself included. It’s the only reason I’ll end up with a used ‘16-‘17 Tundra when I can’t find first gens anymore. Haha.

Vehicles are not getting “better over time” in terms of reliability and durability, specifically “as technology is introduced.”

Introduction of technology has made them less reliable/durable.

Not saying the masses don’t want them. Not saying they’re not great vehicles. Not saying they shouldn’t advance.

This conversation stemmed from you calling someone young and dumb for thinking these trucks will be less reliable and durable after adding more complexity, turbos, technology, etc.

That “kid” was right. You were wrong haha.

That’s all.

 

Perhaps using Microsoft as an example might not be as effective as you think.

 

Regardless of the example I think you get the point.

 

We can sit up here and complain and belly ache all we want about reliability and how technology is not making cars/trucks durable all we want
Bottom line here there is really nothing that you and I can do about it. This is the direction that all car manufacturers are going. Embrace it or get a bicycle

 

Your points are flawed haha