“Toyota Reveals Plans For An Electric Truck”

A buddy in the Caribbean has a CNG F150. That truck is the bees knees.

 

No worries man you didn't come off that way at all. I'll hook you up tomorrow. How and why people make certain economic decisions is always interesting to me.

 

You wanna talk about driving a bomb around haha. I realize they're relatively safe but that is a tank full of methane pressurized around 3,500 psi in your trunk/bed

 

No, not at all.

Nooooooooo… I am comparing one form of motor-vehicle propulsion to another, nothing else. Anything we do is going to have an impact; there is no such thing as "zero impact".

I never suggested it's black and white; very few things, other than black, and white, are black and white. What I am saying is that people who make, sell, and use electric vehicles try and pass them off as non-polluting, hence my point regarding the "Zero Emissions" label on some. I feel that this is an issue which should get a LOT more press time than it does.

Personally, I believe that hydrogen is the way to go; we have, for all intents and purposes, a limitless supply. It's use would mean minimal change to manufacturing infrastructure, and the by-products would be less impactful as well.

 

Buddy I don't wanna throw a turd in your punch bowl but you're wrong about H2. Using hydrogen in vehicles is not an effective solution.

True H2 is abundant in our atmosphere, but it doesn't exist on its own in nature. Do you know how we go about producing 99% of H2 today?

 

Yeah, most of it's coming from steam reforming of natural gas, which uses a shit ton of energy. Depending on where the plant is located probably most of that energy also comes from fossil fuels. I work for Linde(largest industrial gas company in the world) and I will tell you they're putting a TON of resources in to figuring out better ways to make H2. Just not quite there yet for it to make 100% sense as a total replacement.
Not to mention the infrastructure isn't there yet either.
Unrelated....Liquid hydrogen is some scary, also really cool stuff to work with. Just had a stack fire on one of my LH2 tanks the other week...super cool looking at night.

 

I like EV, like my gas to...But I really don't see how the grid can handle 10s of 1000s electric cars/trucks charging all the time. We already have problems with keeping up with AC units and electric heaters.

 

In a perfect world, the money saved paying for gasoline could be captured for grid improvements

 

Correct SMRs account for nearly all hydrogen produced today. Importantly the hydrogen used currently has nothing to do with energy content but rather for its chemical properties as a blending fuel or reductive agent, for instance to reduce the sulfur content of diesel fuel.

Hydrogen has an energy problem because it requires more energy to produce hydrogen then that hydrogen itself contains no matter if you make it in an SMR, electrolyzer, or other niche process. And if you do make it in an SMR as is most common today you also have process carbon emissions to deal with and the (likely) carbon-based fuels used to generate the heat required to reform methane.

Also yes, liquid hydrogen is something like -253c which is not too far from absolute zero. That shit is super dangerous. That's why to transport H2 by ship most folks are looking at ammonia as a more stable option.

 

There would also be no war or whiners haha.

 

I wont buy a electric till charging gets sorted out. A hybrid yes, but not full electric.

My uncle has a tesla, but he cant do long drives with it because charging stations are too packed with others charging. A road trip from one state to another just doesnt work as it will take half a day to charge. A supercharger takes a little over a hour to charge to 100%. combine that with even just 4 people in line ahead of you and your now waiting 6-7 hours just to fill up. Even just 1 person inline ahead of you and your looking at nearly 3 hours to charge.

 

Anyone old enough to remember when leaded gas was on the way out? A lot of folks shit themselves because unleaded was a joke and too new with now more damn engine parts for emissions and shit then they wanted to inspect your car yearly so it was road worthy and safe.... Seat belts etc... the list is long.
Times change in spite of us, Not because of us.
EV as the new normal is coming, partially misrepresented; however it is inevitable. I'm hoping for a better alternative but hey it's ok to dream.

 

If they make it run off ammonia instead, I will be in. Makes MUCH more sense than electric.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...ir-and-water-could-power-globe-without-carbon

 

You still have to somehow overcome the energy loss issues noted above (requires more energy to produce than it contains) and even then you're still releasing GHGs in the form of nitrogen, or require those vehicles to be outfitted with the proper catalyst reduction system.

 

They want all be charging simultaneously.

 

Amonia? Good gravy no lol.

 

Nitrogen isn't a green house gas....

 

Hydrogen Fuel Cell is really the way to go. Just harder to produce and minimal infrastructure currently. To me Battery EV is the in between to Fuel Cell.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1540748916300049

I should've been clearer. N2O is formed when burning ammonia and is a greenhouse gas.

 

Ah, yes. I didn't read the article