Accident Where Integrity of CMC (cab mount chop) Questioned?

Damn dude... you've spent a lot of years not knowing what you're talking about.

"That part of the frame isn't as important"


Dude that's friggen hilarious!

 

I this video, at the 8:30 mark, Ronny discusses getting the chassis recertified after the Cab Mount Chop on his Hilux. We are not quite there yet in North America. Seems the Australians are a little more concerned.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rt_NpuEUbKc

 

Unfortunately you are incorrect. What do I know though….I only do this for a living and argue with these people on a daily basis.

I suppose maybe in some jurisdictions they wouldn’t. In Arizona these insurance companies hire biomechs and reconstructionists for all sorts of MVAs, including claims valued at or less than $15k.

 

Gawd I love Tacomaworld. Never change!

 

Also, just as an aside, I did have a CMC on my Tacoma. I didn’t feel the risk was sufficient to worry about it.

That does not change my opinions on what happens if the modification does in fact lead to additional damages and how that would be handled in an insurance claim/litigation setting.

 

you can always just do a CMR with 3/16" plate and argue about hot welding and the finer points of intrusion location instead. and all from your comfy chair, to keep the chatter going y know.

 

Lol. As a registered professional civil and structural engineer who built bridges as a contractor his entire career, I’d like to add this:

I’m not an expert on how automobile structures are designed or how they react in an accident. My opinion is therefore completely worthless and should be treated as such.

 

What’s a “bio mechanical” engineer?

 

Lmfao! What a great point!

All these wonks questioning whether the structural integrity of the frame is compromised by the heat of welding.

The frames from the same manufacture who has had massive recalls on their frames, due to rust, over the course of 2 Generations... 20 years... and 3rd Genners will see the same thing. Because the engineers (in their infinite wisdom) haven't done a damn thing to fix the problem.

But oh hooooooly shit, the biomechanical engineers are going to go to the salvage yard to find your truck to blame you for your cab mount chop

F'n priceless!

 

Mostly academics who pretend to know what they are talking about by placing numerous letters after their name and talking to a jury like they are children.

In all reality they are some of the most commonly used expert witnesses in motor vehicle accident cases. Their job is generally to explain how a crash affected someone’s body and whether the claimed injuries could have been caused by the forces in any particular crash.

 

They really don’t investigate modifications to a vehicle causing a greater injury, pretty funny a company would waste the money on that instead of paying what’s owed, most polices don’t even have enough coverage to worry about trying to save some money by blaming someone for a modification they could hardly prove caused greater injury due to negligence. Most carriers fight liability splits/comp neg to save their bucks…

I see these claims all day too.

 

I truly wish that the insurance companies would just pay what is owed rather than dump money on experts in an effort to disprove or reduce the value of a legitimate claim.

Maybe where you’re from but here cost of defense is almost a non-issue to these guys.

Edit: I guess my personal opinion of claims adjusters really isn’t relevant.

 

The only thing I’ve learned from this post is that all engineers drive Tacomas.

Much like all douchebags drive Corvettes (or Camaros).

 

You make a good point. Damn engineers measure their worth as a function of their accountability to technical, cost, and schedule commitments for bringing projects and programs to closure unlike scientists accountable for finishing nothing.

Signed,
An Engineer

Hope you can take a joke @anthemAnathema. Just kidding. Every research project needs a scientist as badly as development projects need engineers

 

There is a lot of dumb showing in this thread.

 

I don't know anything about the physical properties of vehicle frames, but I am kind of a diet/low carb forensic scientist. Doesn't sound as cool as engineer.

I work in public sector fire origin and cause investigation, but I have known folks in the private side that work for insurance companies. The subrogation can be never ending. Insurance co sues the vehicle manufacturer who sues the manufacturer of the failed part who sues the supplier of the bearing that failed...and so on. I wouldn't underestimate the insurance company (and other involved parties) and their interest in subro, though I don't believe they could lay it at the owner's feet for "improper modification." I have seen modified vehicles burn up before with owner completed wiring as a potential cause. I don't know how that played out though.

If the crash was high profile/deadly enough I could see criminal charges like negligence be discussed, but not likely.

 

Idiotic post.

 

Definately not as idiodic as

"That part of the frame isn't as important"






Holy fuck that's dumb

 

That's a different debate. Toyota doesn't give a shit if you want to mount oversized tires on your truck