Alabama thread!

16" is shortest length you can have for a rifle (that includes the normal flash hider) before you have an NFA item. For a pistol (AR with "stabilizing braces" or simply a buffer tube) there is no specific length. That said, there is a legal battle going on right now about rifles with braces. ATF and of course Biden administration wants anything under 16.5" to be classified as a SBR (short barrelled rifle) which requires a tax stamp (see here). Trump also told ATF to do it and despite the fact that ATF had previously ruled they were not SBR, millions were sold. A judge last month reversed the ATF ruling and for now all these weapons are in limbo. Here is a great site for people knowledgeable about all things NFA - http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/index.php. Be careful, the FBI and ATF progs are a bunch of zealots these days. Trust no one you don't know personally for a long time.

 

An acquaintance bought an AR-12 (equivalent to the Saiga) at Rural King for about $370 a few weeks ago.

 

There's the Panzer BP12 too.......bought this a few months ago

Sup John
The ruling as of now......for the 410 I'm gonna build.........is 26" overall from tip to end of buffer tube. It use to be the end of the brace. Barrel length doesn't matter. It's not a pistol, rifle, or shotgun......It's just considered a firearm

 

@Brian422 @pdaddy @ty.s07 and anyone else that was following the convo.

I was mistaken. That 410 isn't considered an AOW. It's just a firearm......not a pistol, rifle, or shotgun. It just has to have an overall length of 26" from tip of barrel to end of buffer tube(use to be the brace, but that has changed)

 

Quote from article I linked - “Any other weapons” (AOWs) are subject to the registration and fee requirements of the NFA. Weapons regulated by the NFA include “a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length,” according to the ATF.
Barrel length does make a difference.

 

I’d love to snag one of these, I have TONS of 12 gauge shells. Might have to check this out. Thanks for the heads up!

 

The key phrase is “made from a rifle”. When @gixxerphil goes to pick up his lower, he’ll check the box on the form as “other”, not pistol or rifle bc it’s neither of those yet. It starts life out as a “firearm” and therefore legal as long as it maintains 26in overall length. It falls under the same category as a mossberg shockwave


It's not a rifle, as it has no stock and has a smoothbore barrel.

Not a pistol, as it has a smoothbore barrel.

Not a shotgun, as it never had a shoulder stock.

Not an AOW as it is over 26" and is therefore not concealable.

Not an SBS as again, no shoulder stock

wow the ATF is fun! Lol

 

This is from a virgin lower. It's never been a pistol or rifle. The only length for the 410 is 26" OAL. I was wrong when I said it was an AOW. It's not classified as that per the ATF.



1. As of February 2021, "Incidental and Sporadic" shouldering of a pistol brace is legal. Regardless of the fact that I'm not shouldering the brace at any time in this video, I guess I have to mention this.
2. This isn't an SBR. It's not a rifled barrel, nor does it have a stock, so it would never be an SBR.
3. This isn't an AOW or an SBS. While it has a smoothbore barrel which is shorter than 18", it does not have a shoulder stock (meaning it can't be a shotgun of any type), and maintains an OAL (from bare muzzle to bare buffer tube) exceeding 26", putting it in the same legal classification as the Mossberg Shockwave and other similar designs.

 

The amount of thought in this is impressive. I thought I had a decent grip on what was okay and a no-no but I learned something new.

 

It's complete and utter bullshit......but I'm not trying to become a felon.......I wouldn't do well in jail......I'd definitely be some dude's bitch being as I'm 5'5 and 3/4"

 

If you really wanna spin ur head, throw on a foregrip on your new “firearm”. Then what is it?

I’m worried about getting pulled over by Joe Fudd the cop who knows nothing about these laws and then I have to wait a day or two in a cell until someone can explain to him why it’s legal. It’s crazy lol

 

Then you sue the shit out of their department for "damages" for not knowing the law.

 

To be honest, I don't know.....what is it? This dude used these 2, I assumed the vertical grip was the issue.







I'd prefer to use a handstop like this

 

Oh I have no idea either, I don’t think it’s really defined lol handstops are fine tho. Vertical grips typically are not

 

I've never had a vertical grip. I have only used the trinity force grip. I suppose it could be used as a vertical grip if you have small hands or don't want your pinky touching it I wrap my hand around the rail and place my pinky towards the trigger using the indent as a stopper.

 

That would be an interesting jury. What if you got someone that hated cops and guns........how would they view that case?

 

I mean they aren't following the law sooo idk a judge that would be able to bend that.

Wish it was still midevil times and you could request trial by combat lol. Go look up armbed fisherman, that guy is in gun lawsuits all the time and manages to win them haha.

 

Is that the dude that walks around FL with an AR and shit?

 

And use the money to buy more guns

 

yup lol